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Attendees Present

Chair:  @
Scribe: @ 


Name

Calvin Beebe

xLorraine Constable

Tony Julian

xPaul Knapp

Ewout Kramer
xAustin Kreisler

Wayne Kubick
xThom Kuhn
xRik Smithies
xSandy Stuart
xBrian Pech (guest)


  1. Agenda review
  2. Approve Minutes of 2019-07-31 SGB Agenda/Minutes
  3. Action Items
  4. Discussion Topics
    1. Atlanta agenda development
    2. Altered meeting schedule in Sydney - effect on SGB meetings
    3. Draft policies around Currency of Value Set Content
    4. Are there precepts to be created around General policy on the use of external code systems in HL7 standards?
    5. Draft a precept that families define what conformance to a normative specification means within that product family. What are the rules around change to a normative spec?
    6. Large group engagement

      1. risks/precepts

    7. Definition of specification
    8. Management group vitality assessment precept
    9. architecture/tooling risks that came out of TRAC
    10. Precepts We Need to Develop
  5. Parking Lot
    1. Ballot vs. non-ballot feedback - revisit after board retreat
    2. Generalize FHIR Ballot Expectations
    3. Mapping coordination
    4. Add link to Confluence page from ARB page
    5. Review of product management life cycle spec to see if it talks about project and ballot scope
    6. Review Mission and Charter
    7. Drafting Shared Product Management Responsibilities
    8. Technical Alignments Between Product Families
    9. How groups are to interact with publishing, EST, Vocabulary, etc.
    10. Precept on bringing in large projects
    11. Vocabulary - review HTA material for precepts
    12. BAM guidance on process for product adoption
    13. FHIR Product Director Position Description: we should 1) review further and draft feedback, then 2) map back the description to the role of FGB
    14. Ownership of content
    15. What precepts do we need to address PSS/profile approval processes of balloting and publishing potentially thousands of CIMI model?


Minutes

  1. Agenda review
    1. Brian here to discuss issue from EST. The question is that, since org has moved over to Confluence/JIRA, if the org would want to develop some best practices/guidelines about where current and future artifacts should reside to ease the burden of trying to find artifacts across several platforms. The question of things like minutes would be handled by TSC. Lorraine: EST should provide a list of target artifacts and their preferred location.
      • ACTION: Anne Wizauer to add question of common location for administrative documents to TSC parking lot
  2. Approve Minutes of 2019-07-31 SGB Agenda/Minutes
    1. MOTION to approve: Thom/Rik
    2. VOTE: All in favor
  3. Action Items
  4. Discussion Topics
    1. Atlanta agenda development
      1. Do we need a joint with HTA? Could do so the second half of Q1, perhaps.
    2. Altered meeting schedule in Sydney - effect on SGB meetings
      1. We could meet Q1/Q2 on Sunday if TSC meets Saturday. Could we move Friday to Monday? May have to sacrifice Friday meetings altogether.
    3. Draft policies around Currency of Value Set Content
      1. Last draft we can find is from 4/18. Is there a newer version? 
        • ACTION: Paul Knappto ask for the most current version of Currency of Value Set Content
    4. Reviewed Policy on use of Retired or Legacy HL7 Code Systems.  
      1. Discussion over whether or not this is HTA policy. Austin pushed back at the time. Who is allowed to create policy?  TSC should set guidelines on what WGs can do. Should review the mission and charter for vocab to see if they have appropriate descriptions of boundaries and scope. Discussion over having vocabulary representation on SGB. 
      2. Who makes policy?
        1. Question for TSC. Vocab is attempting to, which is outside of their scope. HTA is attempting to, although they cover external terminologies and this is outside of that. 
        2. Do we need a subgroup under SGB that focuses on Vocabulary policy? Or Vocabulary methodology should escalate issues to us to create policy. 
      3. Is there anything in this current policy that we're concerned about/need to create precepts for?
        1. We could state that HL7 shall develop policies around the creation, maintenance and depreciation of terminology sets. Once a terminology is deprecated, it shall continue to be published to support active implementations but shall not be further maintained.
  5. Carry forward:
    1. Are there precepts to be created around General policy on the use of external code systems in HL7 standards?
    2. Draft a precept that families define what conformance to a normative specification means within that product family. What are the rules around change to a normative spec?
    3. Large group engagement

      1. risks/precepts

    4. Definition of specification
    5. Management group vitality assessment precept
    6. architecture/tooling risks that came out of TRAC
    7. Precepts We Need to Develop
  6. Adjourned at 11:01 am Eastern

OPEN ACTION ITEMS:


DescriptionDue dateAssigneeTask appears on
  • Paul Knapp to send documentation to the cochairs of HTA and Vocabulary noting that we've drafted precepts on external terminologies and highlight questions on their currency document.
Paul Knapp2019-11-06 SGB Agenda/Minutes
Paul Knapp2019-09-20 SGB WGM Agenda/Minutes
Paul Knapp2019-09-20 SGB WGM Agenda/Minutes
Austin Kreisler2019-09-20 SGB WGM Agenda/Minutes
Lorraine Constable2019-09-20 SGB WGM Agenda/Minutes
  • ACTION: Paul Knappto ask for the most current version of Currency of Value Set Content
Paul Knapp2019-08-07 SGB Agenda/Minutes
  • ACTION: Paul Knapp will work on a grid with types of change/degree of review
Paul Knapp2019-05-22 SGB Agenda/Minutes
  • ACTION: Need to create precepts on stable identifiers for value sets, concept maps, and code systems
2019-01-18 SGB WGM
  • ACTION: Review proposed updates to the GOM, then determine how/where to represent SGB
2019-01-18 SGB WGM
  • Add Calvin's document on continuous maintenance and the decision to the SGB site.

2018-11-14 SGB Agenda/Minutes