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Attendees Present

Chair:  Paul Knapp
Scribe: Anne Wizauer


Name
x

Calvin Beebe

RegretsLorraine Constable

Russ Hamm

Tony Julian

xPaul Knapp

Ewout Kramer
xAustin Kreisler

Wayne Kubick
xThom Kuhn
xRik Smithies

Sandy Stuart


  1. Agenda review
  2. Approve Minutes of 2019-02-20 SGB Meeting
  3. Review Minutes of 2019-02-27 SGB Agenda/Minutes
  4. Action Items
  5. Discussion Topics
    1. FHIR Ballot Expectations from FMG - draft feedback for FMG
    2. Further discussion on draft precepts on tooling?
    3. architecture/tooling risks that came out of TRAC
    4. Large architectures coming in: risks/precepts
    5. Continue with draft policies to develop around Currency of Value Set Content
    6. Precepts We Need to Develop

  6. Parking Lot
    1. Mapping coordination
    2. Add link to Confluence page from ARB page
    3. Review of product management life cycle spec to see if it talks about project and ballot scope
    4. Review Mission and Charter
    5. Drafting Shared Product Management Responsibilities
    6. Technical Alignments Between Product Families
    7. How groups are to interact with publishing, EST, Vocabulary, etc.
    8. Precept on bringing in large projects
    9. Vocabulary - review HTA material for precepts
    10. Precept for adding new tools (include that WGs with a specific mandate must be involved, such as EST, Publishing, Vocabulary, etc.) - was this covered by the tooling precept we created in New Orleans?
    11. BAM guidance on process for product adoption
    12. Create PRECEPTS that require that it be articulated in the standards how the value sets specified within the standards respond to changes in regulation, licensing, time, etc.- to do in April/before Cologne
    13. FHIR Product Director Position Description: we should 1) review further and draft feedback, then 2) map back the description to the role of FGB
    14. Ownership of content
    15. What precepts do we need to address PSS/profile approval processes of balloting and publishing potentially thousands of CIMI model?

Minutes

  1. Agenda review
  2. Approve Minutes of 2019-02-20 SGB Meeting
    1. MOTION to approve: Austin/Calvin
    2. VOTE: All in favor
  3. Review Minutes of 2019-02-27 SGB Agenda/Minutes
    1. Reviewed minutes from last week's non-quorate meeting. Should also have cochairs review the code of ethics when they are elected or re-elected. 
      • ACTION: Anne Wizauerto add co-chair signoffs idea to TSC agenda
    2. Discussion over Provenance PSS issue. Will go to TSC for review. Need to examine if the scope of the PSS can be changed at Steering Division.
  4. Action Items
  5. Discussion Topics
    1. FHIR Ballot Expectations from FMG - draft feedback for FMG
      1. Reviewed Tony's comments. He felt management groups shouldn't control who gets to go to comment ballot. Paul; They could serve as a filter for quality, such as if the quality wasn't high enough to go to ballot. Austin: The purpose of a comment ballot is to pose certain questions to the community. The specification may be incomplete, which means it will potentially fail quality checks. 
      2. Wayne: They are suggesting that draft for comment is antiquated in the FHIR world when they have other avenues such as connectathon. They're not blocking it completely, they're just discouraging it. Austin: One thing they could add is language that FMG decisions can be appealed to the TSC, or we can alter it to say that FMG can make a recommendation to the TSC on whether or not to approve a particular draft for comment. One means we'll only see the ones that appeal, and the other means we see all of them. Paul: The problem is saying drafts for comment are discouraged - it should provide guidelines on when to do one.
      3. Discussion that this guidance should be across the board, not just in FHIR. 
      4. Discussion over whether management groups should be able to restrict what goes to ballot. There should be justification to go to comment ballot. Discussion over content that is standalone vs. part of an aggregate such as FHIR. Calvin states we need to empower the management groups to manage. Austin: We need a rule that says management group decisions can be appealed to the TSC. 

      5. DRAFT PRECEPT: The purpose of a draft for comment ballot is to elicit feedback from the community; it is not intended as a fallback for material which was intended to ballot at a higher level. There should be justification for taking material to comment ballot.

      6. DRAFT PRECEPT: Management Group decisions may be appealed to the TSC.

  6. Adjourned at 12:00 pm Eastern

    Carry forward:
    1. Further discussion on draft precepts on tooling?
    2. architecture/tooling risks that came out of TRAC
    3. Large architectures coming in: risks/precepts
    4. Continue with draft policies to develop around Currency of Value Set Content
    5. Precepts We Need to Develop

OPEN ACTION ITEMS:


DescriptionDue dateAssigneeTask appears on
  • Paul Knapp to send documentation to the cochairs of HTA and Vocabulary noting that we've drafted precepts on external terminologies and highlight questions on their currency document.
Paul Knapp2019-11-06 SGB Agenda/Minutes
Paul Knapp2019-09-20 SGB WGM Agenda/Minutes
Paul Knapp2019-09-20 SGB WGM Agenda/Minutes
Austin Kreisler2019-09-20 SGB WGM Agenda/Minutes
Lorraine Constable2019-09-20 SGB WGM Agenda/Minutes
  • ACTION: Paul Knappto ask for the most current version of Currency of Value Set Content
Paul Knapp2019-08-07 SGB Agenda/Minutes
  • ACTION: Paul Knapp will work on a grid with types of change/degree of review
Paul Knapp2019-05-22 SGB Agenda/Minutes
  • ACTION: Need to create precepts on stable identifiers for value sets, concept maps, and code systems
2019-01-18 SGB WGM
  • ACTION: Review proposed updates to the GOM, then determine how/where to represent SGB
2019-01-18 SGB WGM
  • Add Calvin's document on continuous maintenance and the decision to the SGB site.

2018-11-14 SGB Agenda/Minutes