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Monday

 

Q1/Q2
9:00 AM - 12:30 PM

Q3/Q4
1:30 - 5:00 PM EST

  • HL7 DEV WG

CO-CHAIR:  TODD COOPER   

CO-CHAIR: CHRIS COURVILLE

CO-CHAIR: JOHN GARGUILO

CO-CHAIR: JOHN RHOADS   

CO-CHAIR: MARTIN HURRELL

CO-CHAIR: MARTIN ROSNER

Todd Cooper/ John Garguilo

MEETING NOTES FROM John J. Garguilo

 Room "Grand Ballroom Salon 3"

Monday Q1 - Q4, 9 AM - 5:00 PM (Pacific Time - PST U.S.)

SDPi 1.0.x Document Review and Drafting Session at HL7 WGM (Todd Cooper )

Work day reviewing and drafting content in the SDPi 1.0.x DEV Review draft, with an aim to get 1.0 DEV Review (v2) published during HL7 WG week.

Link to SDPi Information: "Everything you wanted know Library"

Recorded Reviewer Sessions:

  1.  : Session 1 General (Slides) / (YouTube Recording)
  2.  : Session 2 Profiles (Slides) / (YouTube Recording)
  3.  : Session 3 Gateways (Slides) / (YouTube Recording)

When

Mon Jan 16, 2023 12pm – 8pm Eastern Time - New York

Where

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Monday Q5, 5:30 - 7:30 PM (Pacific Time - PST U.S.): Co-Chairs Meeting and Dinner

Noted that Co-Chairs attended the Q5 Co-Chair Dinner meeting - with a report out on Wednesday Q1. 

Tuesday

 

Q1 - Q2
9:00 AM - 12:30 PM, PST

  • IEEE 11073 SC Leadership:

    CHAIR: KEN FUCHS   

    VICE-CHAIR: DAIDI ZHONG

    SECRETARY: STEVEN DAIN    

    emb-11073-Listserv: emb-11073-sc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

  • IEEE 11073 PoCD WG Leadership:

    CHAIR: STEFAN SCHLICHTING

    VICE-CHAIR: STEVEN DAIN

    SECRETARY: KONSTANTINOS MAKRODIMITRIS

    IEEE-SA Liason to PoCD: TOM THOMPSON

    11073 PoCD Google Group: ieee-11073-pocd@googlegroups.com

MAKRODIMITRIS
/Garguilo

Tuesday Q1 + Q2

IEEE POCD Meeting minutes(approved) in IMEET-CENTRAL IEEE POCD WEB

MEETING NOTES FROM John J. Garguilo

IEEE-SA iMeetCentral Folder for: 11073 Point of Care Device Working Group

17 Jan 2023  Room "Grand Ballroom Salon 3"

IEEE EMB 11073 PoCD WG Virtual Meeting

Tuesday Q1, Q2, (9:00 AM - 12:30 PM, PST)

On-site attendees: Martin Rosner, Koi-san, John Rhoads, Todd Cooper, Ken Fuchs, John Garguilo, Michael Faughn

Meeting agenda January 17

IEEE 11073 POCD Officers

CHAIR: STEFAN SCHLICHTING, PHD

SECRETARY: KONSTANTINOS MAKRODIMITRIS, PHD

VICE-CHAIR: STEVEN DAIN, MD (MICHAEL FAUGHN 2023-)

Meeting link:  https://ieeesa.webex.com/ieeesa/j.php?MTID=m1caa11b802336eae2bd0afffa29adf3f

EEE-SA 11073 PoCD iMeetCentral site 

  1.    Call to Order     (IEEE 11073 POCD Officers)                        9:05a 
  2.    Introduction and Affiliation Declarations (WG, All)                    9:10a
  3.    Establish Quorum
  4.    Approval of Agenda (WG, All)                                9:20a

Motion to approve: First Michael Faughn, second Ken Fuchs - unanimous 16-0-0

  1.    Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes (WG, All)                    9:25a
  • Noted by John Garguilo to address Action Item to meet with IEEE-SA Liaison Tom Thompson regarding the NIST Royalty Free Agreement (with release of new version of on-line RTMMS)
  • Todd Cooper also noted to also discuss with IEEE-SA Tom Thompson the Licensing of IEEE w/ the IHE Profiles

Motion to approve meeting minutes: First Ken Fuchs, Second by John Rhoads; approved 15-0-1 (Martin Kasparick)

  1.    IEEE Policies         (IEEE 11073 POCD Officers)                    9:35a
  • Chair Stefan Schlichting read to attendees the following IEEE Policies:
  1.    IEEE SA Call for Patents 
  2.    IEEE SA Copyright Policy Presentation
  3.    IEEE SA Individual Participation
  • Tom Thompson noted that training is required  entitled "Working Group Chair Fundamentals Course" (Tom pointed out to IEEE the title should be changed as the training for *all* officers (and not just Chair)…
  • Tom asked if the group wants the statics at the end of the year or end of Q1 2023 (for upcoming New Orleans Meetings)
  • Question/Issue about balloting & voting (from IEEE perspective):
    1. Paul produces a second draft
      1. Michael Faughn asked if new content (by authors of standard) can be added?  Tom Thompson indicated "yes" as a 'track change'.  E.g. there might be agreed upon missing information was discovered.
      1. Tom Thompson noted the second draft would allow balloters to {first time or again} vote (even if not previously voting) - if balloters didn't get to posting a vote in first round because of the balloting closing automatically reaching quorum…
      2. Paul Schluter noted he is not open to adding large groups of new terms in recirculation
    2. Question about how the comments get resolved (Ken Fuchs)?
      1. Comment resolution open to full ballot group.
      2. Paul Schluter noted it's possible to bring in subject matter experts for particular comments (who are not part of ballot group).
    3. Malcolm Clarke mention voting issue came up in the PHD group call
    • Given the 10101b extension, should the date be extended given that quorum was reached and closed the balloting.
    • Paul believes most comments could be addressed by end of January, so perhaps
    • Stefan S. suggested giving balloters enough time (originally noted on the extension) - a side effect of ballot being closed as quorum was reached; thus options proposed by Stefan:
    • Agreed in this discussion that an individual can vote and comment in "recirculation" (i.e., second round).
    • Tom noted that it is possible to send an email to a chair, but this is considered "out of ballot" and no obligation to address that comment(s)… Tom mentioned waiting for the circulation an individual can again vote and comment on ballot.
    • 31 involved; 21 returned, approval rate of 89%; 2 disapprove with comments
    • Summary: Agreement on moving forward with a second round.  Recirculation would be an additional 30 days (or to the end of February).

IEEE-SA Public Review Site: https://publicreview.standards.ieee.org/public-review-web/public-app

IEEE-SA Public Review Reference site: https://standards.ieee.org/develop/balloting-standard/publicreview/

Paul asked to share a presentation deck

  • Discussed Ballot Comment on "need REFIDs for enumerated values (see slide)
  1.    Technical Presentation(s), Contribution(s) or Discussion(s)    
  2.    RTM Subgroup updates (Rosetta Terminology Map)                 9:40a
  • Paul showed spreadsheet of comments and discussed line items…

BREAK                                             10:30a

   IDCO Subgroup updates (Implanted Devices Cardiac Observation terminology)    11:00a

  • February 1, 2023 deadline for voting; still need votes to reach quorum
  • Craig is addressing comments and still awaiting votes/comments
  • Otherwise, no additional updates from Craig's end…

   SDC Subgroup updates     (Service-oriented Device Connectivity)            11:30a

  • 300+ known issues on Sourceforge site

PHD 11073 updates                                12:00p

  • Ray Krasinski (Philips) reported out on group work items:
    • However these are not synchronized between the two organizations…
    • Specializations needing votes 10421, 10425, 10442
    • Other Specializations being worked 10427, 10471
    • Malcolm noted that intent/future work is for Original Specializations become the basis for use of profiles of BlueTooth devices
    • Kosta noted at ISO meetings there were slides presented on -10417
    • ISO revision is every five years, IEEE is every ten years (mandatory)
  • SC/IEEE brief updates                                    12:15p

    • Ken Fuchs thanked Stefan S. as the elections officers
    • Ken is chair, Daidi is Vice-Chair and Steven Dain is Secretary
    • Stds Committee continues to review PARS and progress the work in 11073
    • SC Scope - works as oversight over the WGs; organizationally the SC monitors the activies and help the WG, main focus is get the WG to submit PARS prior to REVCOM (not the technical content, but from a process standpoint all steps are reached prior to IEEE Committees)…
    • SC is over PoCD and PHD WGs
    • No further questions for Ken Fuchs
  • New Business    (IHE, AAMI, ISO, NIST, FDA, Conformity briefs)            12:20p

    • IHE (Todd Cooper): SDPi out for Devices Domain for internal review of the document 1.0
    • Hoping to have comment and publication version by end of January 2023
    • Once this document is established, then going forward iterations can be done
    • Also, a pilot project on SDPi V1.0 to take forward and test at IHE Connectathon (via the Gazelle platform).
      • Hope is to have quarterly or twice a year virtual (at a price point to enable participants)
      • Advancing an "accelerator" on SD based tooling and specifications - Device Interoperability..
      • Peter Kranchik DEC Profile
      • Some minor updates (via CPs) with ACM
      • Discussion on synching the Gazelle Master Model and toolset with IHE Europe and IHE North America
      • Upcoming IHE Connectathon in March (Austin Texas) - not a lot of "uptake" by DEV participants due to the last event was just held about 5 months ago.
      • (Garguilo) New syntactical tool for WCTP - working with Monroe Pattillo on advancing semantic checks
      • HIMSS'23 Conference in April in Chicago - SDC in the showcase
    • AAMI WG working on remote control standard (Fuchs)
      • Ken mentioned there are now several participants active - perhaps in about 6 months
      • WG5 Julien Goldman and Sandy Weinger Chairs
    • Koi provide update on Waveform work in ISO 23358
    • ISO meetings in Saparro Japan (Cooper
  • 9.    Future Meetings                                    12:40p

    • May meetings in New Orleans (in person by Kosta and Stefan)
      • Plan of IEEE-SA to join with HL7

    10.    Adjourn                                        12:30 PM

    • Meeting Adjourned

17 Jan 2023 Room "Grand Ballroom Salon 3"

Tuesday Q3, 1:45 - 3:00 PM (Pacific Time - PST U.S.)

  • Welcome, Introductions, and Agenda Review (HL7 Officers)
  • ANSI Anti-Trust Policy: 
    Professional Associations, such as HL7, which bring together competing entities are subject to strict scrutiny under applicable antitrust laws. HL7 recognizes that the antitrust laws were enacted to promote fairness in competition and, as such, supports laws against monopoly and restraints of trade and their enforcement. Each individual participating in HL7 meetings and conferences, regardless of venue, is responsible for knowing the contents of and adhering to the HL7 Antitrust Policy as stated in §05.01 of the Governance and Operations Manual (GOM). 

Work on JIRA Tickets / Issues

Note: Marti Velezis  can Join DEV for Q3 + Q4 so items from these two quarters to Wednesday Q1 and other open sessions

  • The Group agreed to make the changes and have global vote (on all the JIRA Tickets vs. one at a time in O&O)
  • JIRA Ticket 39322
    • Edited
  • JIRA Ticket 20857
    • Discussed and edited on JIRA
    • Motion made by Marti V. and second by Elliot Silver; passes 7-0-0
  • JIRA Ticket 25240
    • Source is Parent
    • Discussion regarding that a metric (in DEV Domain) is 1:1, however suggestion is to keep 0:1 (and add a strong note that a device metric always has a parent - no use case provided contrary)…
    • Updated
    • Motion made by Marti V. and second by Elliot Silver; passes 7-0-0

Tuesday Q4, Continue to address JIRA Tickets

  • JIRA Ticket 25399
    • Updated
    • Motion made by Marti V. and second by Elliot Silver; passes 8-0-0
  • JIRA Ticket 38711
    • Agreed - triaged late and…
    • To be brought to O&O
  • JIRA Ticket 39303
    • Updated Note, Elliot indicated he would retract (persuasive with modification) all but the note, which was updated.
    • Changed workgroup from O&O to DEV
    • Motion made by Marti V. and second by John Rhoads; passes 7-0-0
  • JIRA Ticket 34123
    • Boundaries and relationships updated
    • Motion made by Michael Faughn and second by Martin Rosner; passes 8-0-0
  • JIRA Ticket 39357
    • Will Fix…
    • Changed work group to O&O
  • JIRA Ticket 39494
    • Disposed disposition… remove link and update sentence
    • Work DEVICE
    • Motion by Elliot and second by Marti V.; passes 7-0-0
  • JIRA Ticket 39501
    • Wording changes - O&O Workgroup - will vote on Thursday
  • JIRA Ticket 39634
    • Pending Marti's view
  • JIRA Ticket 39634
    • Shouldn't be "timing", but quantity (or some unit associated with time)
Day / DateTimeChairScribeNotes; HL7 DEV WG Meetings

Wednesday

 

Q1/Q2

9:00 AM - 12:30 PM

Q3/Q4
1:30 PM - 5:00 PM

  • HL7 DEV WG

CO-CHAIR:  TODD COOPER   

CO-CHAIR: CHRIS COURVILLE

CO-CHAIR: JOHN GARGUILO

CO-CHAIR: JOHN RHOADS   

CO-CHAIR: MARTIN HURRELL

CO-CHAIR: MARTIN ROSNER

Garguilo

MEETING NOTES FROM John J. Garguilo

 Room "TBD"

Wednesday Q1, 9 AM - 10:30 AM (Eastern Time - ET U.S.)

Meeting link (details above): https://ieeesa.webex.com/ieeesa/j.php?MTID=mb8f9c1692e7cf097593c3f60890e0e3a

Recorded Attendance: September 2022 HL7 DEVICE and IEEE 11073 WG Attendance   

  • Welcome, Introductions, and Agenda Review (HL7 Officers)

    • ANSI Anti-Trust Policy read to attendees (Garguilo): 

      Professional Associations, such as HL7, which bring together competing entities are subject to strict scrutiny under applicable antitrust laws. HL7 recognizes that the antitrust laws were enacted to promote fairness in competition and, as such, supports laws against monopoly and restraints of trade and their enforcement. Each individual participating in HL7 meetings and conferences, regardless of venue, is responsible for knowing the contents of and adhering to the HL7 Antitrust Policy as stated in §05.01 of the Governance and Operations Manual (GOM). 

  • Reviewed Monday Q3/4 proceedings (@Cochairs) 

    • No additional or changes of Agenda items (from Monday Q3)

    • Confirmed joint with O&O on Thursday Q1 with "spillover" time available on Friday Q1
    • Confirmed joint Thursday Q3 with Mobile Health WG and presentation of Laurie Whitsel from Physical Activity Alliance and the American Heart Association
  • Co-Chair Report Out (@ Cochairs)

    1. TSC 2023-01-16: WGM + Co-Chair+Dinner

    2. Report-out by Co-Chairs of  Monday's Q5 meeting ...



    • Jacob tried to map the 'complicated pregnancies' use case to FHIR;
      • Noted a very complex use case to address… not aware of all FHIR constructs available
    • COVID-19 use case:

      • Holter monitoring: can't yet share details, but in some cases Holter monitor can be connected and do a live streaming - also looking to do a large roll out...

    • Live Spirometry flow, so not to wait the 6+ seconds to do a live flow…(waveforms)...
    • Two issues:
      • 1. Complex nature of date (mapped to IEEE, and in particular to FHIR) - lacking more complex data types, as well as some quality enumerations… e.g., when leads are not connected properly - there is noise ratio
        • --should have some attempt to get a consistent  way to do this in FHIR


    • 2. Live Streaming - more generic way to do this w FHIR payloads - send data to server, viewer that pulls date from server in real time or near real time/recoding while being made…


  • Todd Cooper noted is useful in Zulip to capture the use cases…
  • Paul Schluter commented that work was done regarding waveforms… reasonable for real time monitors - including beat to beat etc. (this was done in HL7 V2)…  Can be easily persisted as a binary data set (V2 can be trivially mapped to be looked at retrospectively later on…)
  • Mikael Rinnetmaki (Finland) - added comments around timing intervals - e.g., medication requests…
    Once you do this you end up with a bundle around 20-30K which are sent to server, and then accessed (this takes 20 - 30 minutes - which has big consequences…) - now becomes 30 minutes back which is obviously not ideal…  Could a sample bundle be published as a FHIR resource to highlight this issue… 
    Sample data is available, but not yet on the explanatory text…  this could be discussed on one of the weekly Monday or Wednesday 9 am Eastern US meetings… where do pieces fit and try to coordinate this…
  • Suggested to coordinate via Zulip…
    Slides to be sent at later time… perhaps when more details written about the use cases… Jacob agreed to send once available…
  • EEE EMBS Standards referenced
    • IEEE 1752 noted...


Break from 10:30 AM - 11:00 AM ET

Wednesday Q2, 11:00 AM - 12:30 PM (ET U.S.) 

Q2 Wednesday (start 11 am)

PHD Status update/report out - (Martin Rosner)

    • Update: IEEE ACOM and BT Generic Health Sensor update (Rosner, Eric Moll) 
    • Martin Rosner will send notes on his updates
      • Quick summary provided
      • Todd asked about GHS (Generic Health Sensor) - is the mapping the same for 20601 and current IG… Martin noted the language could use update to reflect ACOM.
      • Topic for NOLA: GHD generic sensor to FHIR and R5 changes
      • Malcolm noted Guide wouldn't need change, but due to some late changes to ACOM there are a few missing instructions needed to be added.

Notes from Martin Rosner:

  • The IEEE 11073-10206 ACOM specification is ready for publication – approved by workgroup ballots / waiting for steerco.
    • Future PHD device specializations will be / should be based on ACOM – making their creation much simpler – without the need to support the legacy 11073-20601 protocol.
  • The GHS specifications are well on their way in the Bluetooth SIG:
    • GHS Service & Elapsed Time Service passed IOP testing and are in the adoption phase
    • GHS Profile is in the validation phase and went through a first IOP test event. Two more test events are planned: February Amsterdam/NL, March Bellevue/WA
    • There will also be an update to the Device Information Service that will include the UDI for medical devices. The GHS Profile will use this.
  • Currently considering a demo for NOLA possibly also in the Device track at the Connectathon

Elliot Silver gave a report out from O&O on Device Association.

Main/one concern brought up that there are 63 relationships - device, device association, or both.

Proposal would be for O&O to define the resource in next week (out of Device and into a separate resource) to get into R5.  Question asked if this is a DEV-owned or OO-owned… Elliot believes it's owned by O&O. 

  • In R4, Device referenced the patient… in R5 there is a repeating element in Association and a range of subject and code to identify what those codes would be…
  • Discussion is for a very basic resource for who the device is and who it's assigned to with a date range (you would get Device, Association Resource for that Patient)

Michael Faughn held a conversation about common or domain specific ways to specify

  • Sometimes need stove piped solutions
  • However have a common set of rules is essential!
  • e.g., 10301 using "-" dash versus "_" underscore.
  • Modeling would be good regarding this…

Paul Schluter: update on Nomenclature

  • Nomenclature - RTM status update (Paul Schluter )
    • Paul Schluter to provide Nomenclature update - RTM + on 10101b progress (and milestone!)
    • Collaboration and use of the RTMMSv2 for IEEE P11073-10101b
    • What we could capture in RTMMSv2 to further promote conformance testing
    • co-constraints
    • cardinality based on device type, use cases and clinical scenarios
    • dynamic cardinality based on test message content using xPath-based assertion statements
    • Focus on recent work with the Dialysis Machine Consortium
    • Using a validator I have written as an additional layer that runs after the NIST Test Tools are used
      (ideally, this should be one seamless process, and I am confident that we will all get there).
  • Notes from discussion (agenda items above)
  • -10101b essentially passed (only two negative items, only one sticking point)…
  • New Draft will be sent out by end of month (January 2023) - which will give time for comments
  • Paul suggested scheduling a few half hour sessions next week (after WG meetings) to discuss current comments/resolution
  • Next Topic: Containment and Content Models

(NIST) Tooling & Testing (Michael Faughn , John J. Garguilo)

    • RTMMS new version release update and progress
      • New RTMMS should be on-line by end of month
      • Users will again be required to create a new username/password to access the system
      • Improved User Interface, search functions, and underlying data structure/Database
    • Tooling updates
      • Minor changes made to the HL7 V2 tools for IHE ACM profile based on two CPs
    • Upcoming events:
      • IHE NA Connectathon 2023 (March 6-10, 2023 held in Austin, Texas)
        • Noted risk of low uptake of registrants due to recent IHE Connectathon held in Fall of 2022.  This is a result of cancellation of Events during pandemic.  After this March, IHE will again likely be on a January (each year regular annual event)
      • HIMSS23 (April 17-20, 2023 held in Chicago, Illinois)

Lunch Break from 12:30 PM - 1:45 PM ET

Wednesday Q3 

  • DEV FHIR Jira ticket review and work

  • Marti V.  noted a "a quick (but important) question" — we agreed that the changes to DeviceMetric noted in FHIR-39322 would be done along with the changes to Device(Definition).property by Jose and DEV would complete QA prior to marking them applied. But there are 4 additional DeviceMetric tickets that were resolved and noted in Elliots Zulip message below. 

    Marti also noted that she was cognizant of not overwrite the changes if DEV had started work on for DeviceMetric for the JIRA's below.  

    • FHIR-39431 - DeviceMetric.unit bound to wrong valueset
    • FHIR-39432 - DeviceMetric.category valueset issues
    • FHIR-40281 - Review summary elements in DeviceMetric

    Marti (post meeting) started to mark up the changes in the XML— so was concerned she may have already created additional work.  Suggested, If Elliot had not already started — Marti  would like to continue to make changes — and reduce the work for both/all of us!

Wednesday Q4 

  • Continue DEV JIRA Ticket review and resolution:
  • Elliot Silver: @John RhoadsFor our Thursday Q4 minutes we looked at:

    • FHIR-39431 - DeviceMetric.unit bound to wrong valueset
    • FHIR-39432 - DeviceMetric.category valueset issues
    • FHIR-26546 - DeviceMetric - how to indicate whether setting is submitted or configured?
    • FHIR-40281 - Review summary elements in DeviceMetric
    • FHIR-38056 - DeviceDefinition classification valueset misleading
    • FHIR-38652 - DeviceDefinition UML needs fixing
    • FHIR-40282 - Review summary elements in DeviceDefinition
    1. Reference Confluence page/site: "What is a Device"?
    2. Review general "heads up" content proposed for the updated Device resource description
    3. Review the content being added to the SDPi 1.0 TF-1 front matter related to the scope of the IHE DEV TF (this will be the first version of the broadened IHE domain (vs. PCD only)
    4. Discuss whether and who and where to include and publish the broader question of "What is a 'Device'?" material 
      1. Consider Martin's work around establishing a metamodel w/ attributes, looking for "clusters" and leveraging that to address some common uses of the term:  device 
      2. Link in the previous material from Paper: What is a device? confluence page
      3. Determine the best place to publish this article - for example as an article in the FHIR space similar to workflow and other topics (and linkable from the device-related resources!)
      4. A previous project proposal (pre PSS) was floated for this topic but never fully advanced .. should it be now?
      5. All in favor of Dr. Martin Hurrell being the Editor-in-Chief, raise your hand!  (you cannot vote, Martin ...)
        1. Martin Hurrell asked to defer his taking this item on... 
      6. Is this a Gemini (joint IHE-HL7 article) and should fly under that flag?  Or simply an HL7 internal paper?  (it will be used / leveraged in the IHE DEV TF-1 discussion)

Adjourn IHE-DEV Wednesday 

Day / DateTimeChairScribe

Notes

Thursday

 

Q1/Q2

9:00 AM - 12:30 PM

Q3/Q4
1:30 PM - 5:00 PM



CO-CHAIR:  TODD COOPER   

CO-CHAIR: CHRIS COURVILLE

CO-CHAIR: JOHN GARGUILO

CO-CHAIR: JOHN RHOADS

CO-CHAIR: MARTIN HURRELL

CO-CHAIR: MARTIN ROSNER

Garguilo

Thursday Q1 (9:00 - 10:30 AM PST)

Recorded Attendance: September 2022 HL7 DEVICE and IEEE 11073 WG Attendance   

  • Welcome and Introductions (new attendees)

  • Introductions: 13 Attendees;  new attendees for Q1 Grant Forrest, Dr. Cheryl Lohman, "SV"(?)

Garguilo read ANSI Anti-Trust Policy: 

Professional Associations, such as HL7, which bring together competing entities are subject to strict scrutiny under applicable antitrust laws. HL7 recognizes that the antitrust laws were enacted to promote fairness in competition and, as such, supports laws against monopoly and restraints of trade and their enforcement. Each individual participating in HL7 meetings and conferences, regardless of venue, is responsible for knowing the contents of and adhering to the HL7 Antitrust Policy as stated in §05.01 of the Governance and Operations Manual (GOM). 

From O&O Agenda:

Break from 10:30 AM - 11:00 AM ET

Thursday Q2 (11:00 AM - 12:30 PM ET)

  • Anesthesia WG Topic

      • No Representatives / no report given

      • Intra-procedural Anesthesia FHIR IG Work on-going

  • Nomenclature - RTM status update (Paul Schluter)

    • Paul Schluter to provide Nomenclature update - RTM + on 10101b progress (and milestone!)

    • Nomenclature work

Thursday Q3 (1:45 - 3:00 PM) Room "Watertable B"

  • Cancelled: Joint with Mobile Health WG (Matt Graham/Gora Datta/Nathan Botts/Frank Ploeg - Mobile Health Co-Chairs)

    • No Meeting, MobileHealth WG did not attend January 2023 meetings.
  • Cancelled:  2:30 PM Meeting Session w/  Physical Activity Alliance and the American Heart Association - continuation as they jump into the HL7 FHIR standards development world

    • No Meeting - not AMA representatives attended DEV Meeting

Continue DEV JIRA Ticket review and resolution

    • Marti Velesis/Elliot Silver tracked tickets
  • Device/Device Definition Mapping 

  • Device Association

  • Specialization

    • Need to discuss with DEV group on Wednesday and schedule a time to discuss in HCP
    • FHIR-38057 - DeviceDefinition and Device should use same "specialization" modelMeeting adjourned early - due to lack of participates for the topics on hand.
    • FHIR-38058  - Device specialization assumes a particular model of standards compliance
    • FHIR-39084 - Change .specialization to .conformsTo
      • FHIR-39242 - Change .specialization to .conformsTo. See ticket FHIR-39084FHIR-39053 - Ambiguity when to use .specialization and when .property element
    • FHIR-38902 - Consistency between Device and DeviceDefintion resources
    • See DeviceDispense Below (Table)

  • From OO Notes: https://confluence.hl7.org/display/OO/2023-01-23+OO+-+HCP

DeviceDefinition

    • FHIR-32271 - DeviceDefinition.parentDevice and DeviceDefinition.hasPart allow same concept to be modeled in two ways 


    • FHIR-31750 - Complement Valueset-identifier-type for Device identifiers 
    • Approved; Updating UP-232


    • Need to complete work on Device Definition to make it consistent with or address variations from Device resource
    • E.g., Parent, hasMember – need to address this across Device and DeviceDefinition
    • parentDevice (change to parent if kept in resource)
    • Mappings (TBD)

DeviceDispense

    • FHIR-39046  - Critical use cases for Device(Dispense)
    • Need a flow of the devices across these use cases to get a better handle on how to address this request
    • Also need to pull some of the uses cases into the DEV on FHIR group for discussion (e.g., Representation of a web based application as a source of information (i.e. is the browser instance or the server the source, I expect the server).; Devices representing CDS algorithms; Imaging equipment.
    • FHIR-39049 - DeviceDispense should allow dispensing devices to Practitioners and RelatedPerson
    • Added proposed disposition for review next time


Thursday Q4 (3:30 - 5:00 PM) Room "Watertable B"

  • Continue DEV JIRA Ticket review and resolution:

  • Elliot Silver: For our Thursday Q4 minutes we looked at:

    • FHIR-39431 - DeviceMetric.unit bound to wrong valueset
    • FHIR-39432 - DeviceMetric.category valueset issues
    • FHIR-26546 - DeviceMetric - how to indicate whether setting is submitted or configured?
    • FHIR-40281 - Review summary elements in DeviceMetric
    • FHIR-38056 - DeviceDefinition classification valueset misleading
    • FHIR-38652 - DeviceDefinition UML needs fixing
    • FHIR-40282 - Review summary elements in DeviceDefinition


  • Open Discussion / Topics Arising from this week... (Co-Chairs)

    • None brought forward (much of week spent on DEV JIRA Ticket review and resolution...
  • Action Items overview going forward from Jan 2023(HL7/IEEE/ISO) and coordination with other SDOs

    • Action Items Review (deferred to once January 2023 meeting minutes completed)

  • Planning May '23 WGM (Co-Chairs)

    • HL7 announced it will likely be a live event in New Orleans

    • Feedback from these/January '23 meetings

    • Objectives / Core Topics for January '23 (incl. joint sessions)

      • NOTE: we have been offered a full Quarter with OO - continuing to assume Thursday Q1 works best for DEV(?)
        • Attendees agreed
    • HL7  Room Reservation for January 2023 Meetings (Garguilo)

    • John J. Garguilo (Completed ) ACTION: Garguilo to reserve rooms and schedule joint quarters - needs to be completed by next week.. .To include full Q with O&O and DEV (OO hosting); Q3 Thursday with Mobile Health WG and Physical Activity Alliance
  • Meeting Adjournment (Co-Chairs)
DayTimeChairScribeNotes

Friday

 

Q1
9:00 AM - 10:30 AM

CO-CHAIR:  TODD COOPER   

CO-CHAIR: CHRIS COURVILLE

CO-CHAIR: JOHN GARGUILO

CO-CHAIR: JOHN RHOADS   

CO-CHAIR: MARTIN HURRELL

CO-CHAIR: MARTIN ROSNER

O&O

NOTE: No Q1 DEV Meeting - Joint at O&O

Friday Q1 (9:00 AM - 10:30 AM PST)

No WebEx available in O&O Meeting Room

 

Friday

Q1 at O&O

9:00 AM –10:30 AM

Break10:30 - 11:00 AM

 O&O Room: "TBD"

Note: Joint DEV at O&O (Joint) - Members welcomed to join Joint O&O and FHIR-I WG Sessions in Q1
(No official DEV Meeting)

Current Versions of WG documents, for discussion (To Do: John Rhoads please validate for latest versions...)

https://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/healthcaredevices/Default_HL7_WG_DMP_2018.pdf

Default_HL7_WG_DMP_2019_V5.2_Clean.docx

https://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/healthcaredevices/HL7 DEVICES - 3-year plan 2021 - 2024.docx

https://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/healthcaredevices/HCD_DEV_SWOT_Analysis_2019-01-17.doc

https://www.hl7.org/documentcenter/public/wg/healthcaredevices/HCD_WG_Mission_And_Charter_2019-01_17.docx





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