Chair: Robert Dieterle

Scribe: Crystal Kallem 
 

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Management

Review ANSI Anti-Trust Policy

The HL7 anti-trust policy was reviewed.


Announcements




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CMS HL7 Virtual Connectathon - July 2022

Date: July 19-21, 2022    

Registration:  https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/56MXVRF (Ended June 30)

Location:  Virtual

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HealthLX Update: Jason/Joel will share an update on what to expect from the RI, specifically sharing the request and response: 

  • Structure of the payload to send to the operation's end point
  • Resources stored at the operation end point
  • Share diagram of how it will work

The CMS Virtual Connectathon is fast approaching and we are nearing the final stages of planning. 


Jason (HealthLX) provided an update on the HealthLX reference implementation for attachments. 

  • The endpoint is on a server that would need to be deployed. Could stand up the HealthLX server or bypass real endpoint and go directly into the logic. Would not be noticeable via the interface but is you want to see the raw endpoints, would have to deploy the server.
  • Would also limit the ability to use Touchstone because there wouldn't be anything to hit. 
  • Jason noted that standing up the HealthLX server is not a lot of work. The group decided that standing up the server would be best so that Touchstone can be used.

September Connectathon - 2022 - 09 Connectathon 31

Date: September 17-18, 2022

Location: Baltimore, MD (Live and In-Person)

Proposals are Due July 12th

The September Connectathon will occur in-person, in Baltimore. If you are interested in participating, please reach out to Bob, Crystal or Vanessa.
Ballot Reconciliation
  1. FHIR-36985: Clarify Figure 4 and associated text in 2.6.2 (hbuitendijk) Persuasive with Modification
  2. FHIR-36997: Alignment with other ePA guides (hbuitendijk)
  3. FHIR-36845: Need clarification on who is signing for whom (sutley) Persuasive with Modification
  4. FHIR-37253: Please flesh sentence (celine_lefebvre) Persuasive with Modification
  5. FHIR-37243: concerned about liability implications of digital signatures (celine_lefebvre) Persuasive with Modification
  6. FHIR-37563: Add Request Attachments" content as Draft (ehaas) info pre-apply in flight, need clarification on requirements. see below
  7. FHIR-35151: Better standardize Task.reasonReference by formalizing (but not limiting) the current scenarios (Isaac.Vetter)  Not Persuasive with Modification
  8. FHIR-30824: Recommendation for exchanging purpose of use. (Isaac.Vetter) Persuasive with Mod

FHIR-30824 - Getting issue details... STATUS Eric presented background about this ticket, including the original opinion and new proposals for addressing the comment, summarized here. There was extensive discussion about the level of granularity required for purpose of use (POU) codes. Isaac expressed concerns about the operational complexity of dynamically defining the POU. Overall, he feels it is the wrong thing to do. At a minimum, he suggested adding the following statement: "Although current state of healthcare data exchange is typically limited to a single, well-known and pre-established purpose-of-use, this IG intends to define a potential and aspirational path forward such that at some time in the future, data exchange between two actors will enable distinct and dynamically defined purposes of use.” Overall agreement was not reached. It was recommended that this issue be brought to Patient Care for a vote.

FHIR-35151 - Getting issue details... STATUS Eric noted that this ticket was addressed offline and Isaac removed the in-person resolution requirement. He briefly summarized the resolution and the ticket was changed to ready for vote.

FHIR-36997 - Getting issue details... STATUS This ticket relates to the conversation during the Burden Reduction call this morning. There is interaction between PAS and CDex that needs clarification. Eric intends to add a section with flow diagrams. Hans agreed that would be helpful but the additional clarity around the when, what and where needs to also be included. Hans is ok with the proposed resolution but emphasized the need to update PAS and CDR. 

FHIR-36845 - Getting issue details... STATUS Need to add clarity around synchronous and asynchronous signatures. Eric will add a summary section in the Signatures pages to summarize the different scenarios.


The last block vote will be made available via Zulip and the listserv for review. The block vote will take place in the Patient Care workgroup meeting this coming Monday, July 11th.

Chat

13:17:26 From  Crystal Kallem (POCP / Da Vinci PMO)  to  Everyone:

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-30824

13:32:07 From  Christol -Elevance Health  to  Everyone:

sorry I'm late, on call now

13:36:09 From  Isaac Vetter (Epic)  to  Everyone:

Although current state of healthcare data exchange is typically limited to a single, well-known and pre-established purpose-of-use, this IG intends to define a potential and aspirational path forward such that at some time in the future, data exchange between two actors will enable distinct and dynamically defined purposes of use.

13:40:05 From  ehaas  to  Everyone:

we need to wrap this upe

13:40:15 From  Hans Buitendijk (Cerner)  to  Everyone:

Note that there is a survey going around Da Vinci and others to determine whether we can define common data sets (inclusive of POU as that is critical) that can be requested.  It would be a starter set that parties can adjust locally, but could get us on the path towards more dynamic requests.  But dynamic requests are indeed not short term.

13:49:57 From  Crystal Kallem (POCP / Da Vinci PMO)  to  Everyone:

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36845

13:57:31 From  Isaac Vetter (Epic)  to  Everyone:

Why would it make sense to always return a system-level signature?

13:59:16 From  Isaac Vetter (Epic)  to  Everyone:

Should the direct-query page repeat this sentence from the task page: "Pre-negotiate whether electronic or digital signatures are used"

13:59:40 From  Hans Buitendijk (Cerner)  to  Everyone:

For both sync and async?




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Eric HaasHealth eData Inc
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Providence
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Deborah ConklinMedical Mutual of Ohio
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Yan Heras 

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POCP
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Mary Winter
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Enable Care
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Pam West

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Smile CDR
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BCBSA
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Mariel Brechner Evernorth
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Tibco
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Travis HendrixDrFirst
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Tom LoomisEvernorth
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Daniel Cawood

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BCBS AL
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@sandeep Kottal
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Thomson Kuhn

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Sam
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Scott HerterAzuba
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Ronald WamplerAetna
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Mary Kay McDanielHL7 FM Co-Chair
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Tim McNeil Surescripts
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Cerner
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Paul Knapp HL7 FM Co-Chair
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Tom GrannanAzuba
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Pamela Maklari

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@jaime Smith, PhD IQVIA
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(Physician)
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Infor
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Gevity
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Susan Langford BCBST
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Rob McClureMDpartners
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David Johnson   (Same David M Johnson?)

Optum
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Anthem, HL7 PIE
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Alberto S. LlanesFed Health
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Kristina McCann
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Scott M. Robertson

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Tusharkumar Shah

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@Lauri Shock
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Lloyd McKenzie Gevity
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CHC
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Katie RussellCovermymeds
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MultiCare
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@danny iacovou

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MedAllies
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POCP
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Versaggi Consulting
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@anil N
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Michelle Barry Availity
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Sandeej Kottal

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Nancy Lush 
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Stanley Nachimson

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Cigna Evernorth
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BCBS AL
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Tanner FuchsEvernorth/Cigna
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Availity
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Amol Vyas Cambia Health
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AHA
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Zach SilberEpic
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@Alyson BroxtonCognizant
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Farheen Khalileclinicalworks
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Imprado
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Jake Lund
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Joel Walker

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Ngan MacDonaldHealthLX
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Ranjith KandurAnthem
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Olena Panchyshyn-Kozachuk

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Yuriy FlyudHealthLX
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Linda MichaelsonOptum
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Jason BuysHealthLX
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Karell RuizTESCHGlobal - HealthLX
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Zack SilberEpic
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James TaylorTibco
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Jaspreet Kaureclinicalworks
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Charlie Provenzano 

HealthLX

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Celine Lefebvre AMA
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Jamal ElhabaliSmile CDR
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MITRE

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Epic
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TulsiAetna
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Julie King Cognizant
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CVS Aetna
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@kaitlin powersCAQH CORE
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@Rushikesh Alagiya
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POCP







Attendees via Zoom report: 

Name (Org Name)
Crystal Kallem (POCP / Da Vinci PMO)
Kelly Ross (HLX/TESCHGlobal) 
Brent Zenobia (Novillus)
Peter Gunter# VA (Federal Electronic Health Record Management)
Karell Ruiz (HealthLX/TESCHGlobal) 
Christopher Gracon
ehaas
Tim McNeil - Surescripts
Jason Buys (HealthLX/TESCHGlobal) 
Robert Dieterle
Chris Cioffi (Elevance Health/Anthem)
Joel Walker
Stanley Nachimson
Tom Loomis (Evernorth)
Isaac Vetter (Epic)
Yan Heras
James Bound (Cognizant)
Susan L Langford (BCBST)
Yan Heras
Chris Cioffi (Elevance)
Christol (Elevance Health)
Hans Buitendijk (Cerner)
Chris Johnson BCBSAL
Lloyd McKenzie (Accenture) (FHIR Infrastructure Work Group)
Jamal Elhabali