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Subcommittee Lead: Jessica Bota 

Supporting TSMG Co-Chair: Reuben Daniels 

Date/Time:  

Tuesday 8:00-9:00PM UTC

Tuesday 4:00-5:00PM USA EDT

Wednesday 6:00-7:00AM AEST

Wednesday 9:00-10:00AM NZDT 

See https://www.hl7.org/concalls/CallDirectory.aspx for meeting details.


Attendees

Attendee type:

M - TSMG Member

O -Observer / Guest

Attendance:

P - present

A - Apologies

X - (Apologies with Proxy)

Name

Affiliation

M (Co-Chair)

P

Reuben DanielsSaludax
M

P

Jess Bota

Apelon, Inc.
M

Lisa Nelson

MaxMD
MP

Michael Faughn

National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
M
Davera GabrielJohns Hopkins University Institute for Clinical and Translational Research
M (CSDO)

Dan Vreeman

HL7 International
O


Ted Klein

Klein Consulting
OP

Marc Duteau 

HL7 International
OP

Joan Harper

Canada Health Infoway
O

John Snyder

National Library of Medicine
O

Rob Hausam

MITRE
O

Alex Kontur

ONC
O
Ravi KafleWashington State Department of Health
O
Abdullah RafiqiICF
O
Hope GrayUAB - Birmingham, HL7 Intern
OPMartha JonesGeorge Mason, HL7 Intern

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Agenda Topics

Meeting was recorded

Agenda Outline

Time Allocation

Lead

Agenda Item
Administrative5JB
  • Rollcall & Proxies
  • Note that meetings are recorded
  • Agenda check
Status10JB
  • Progress continues to be made on integrating automated IG publisher validation into UTG process
New Business30 JB/RD
  • Handling THO anchored content in the FHIR spec FHIR-37440 - Getting issue details... STATUS  
    • Michael has completed an initial review 
      • Assumption is that resources will share <id> (we know this isn't a rule but we need something to link the resources)
      • Will go back and compare NPM packages for THO CI build and FHIR CI build
      • Some cleanup to occur on the list of discrepancies
      • Once we have this list we will be better positioned to compare the resources
        • We know this will likely be iterative to determine which changes matter (we know url and version will be changing)
        • Need reliable patterns for making block decisions/updates
      • Additional findings from Michael
        • MF is refining his scripts to be a little more robust 
        • FMM levels changed across versions of FHIR
      • Additional findings from Jess
        • There are 42 code systems anchored in THO that are only in the FHIR core specification
      • Need to determine how resources in the FHIR specification inherit ownership (i.e., says Vocab WG at top of resource)
      • Discuss how to address changes across the following elements:
        • meta.lastUpdated (all)
        • date (all)
        • experimental (19)
        • title (23)
        • valueSet (70)
        • meta.profile (62)
        • description (22)
        • publisher (18)
        • name (8)
        • contact (18)
        • status (17)
        • oid (25) - this is the most concerning and not something the work groups can resolve. TSMG/FMG will likely need to determine how to resolve these OIDs
        • property (1)
        • hierarchyMeaning (1)
        • extensions
          • telecom
          • standards status
          • workgroup
          • fmm
      • Next steps, keeping timing in mind
        • Provide update to FMG and TSMG so we can get ideas on how and when they'd like to get this resolved
        • Analysis shows fair bit of effort across many work groups
        • Potentially deal with this as part of ballot reconciliation OR can give some ideas in terms of resourcing to get it done earlier
        • Perhaps can get ourselves on the agenda on second half of FMG call, Ann can get it onto agenda
          • Reuben and Jess will plan to join but will miss first half of Vocab co-chair call
  • Discuss adding extensions and profiles to THO
    • TSMG approved surfacing profiles/extensions in THO that are part of UTG/THO infrastructure
      • For example, there is an extension for adding title to namingSystem resources and many more are expected to support external code system metadata records (there is a profile for this)
      • Vocab is starting to see Vocab tickets around profiles and extensions being added to THO
      • Another issue is that profiles are based on R5 and THO is based on R4
      • Probably cannot support profiles until we have a process to support them, likely after R5
      • THO also does not store multiple versions of the same artifact 
      • Good topic for WGM 
    • What is driver to move profiles from FHIR core to THO? We do not know
Subcommittee Work in Progress15JB/RD
  • THO cleanup
    • These tickets have approval from TSMG to proceed in UTG
      • Fix the "All HL7 Code Systems" tab to exclude external content UP-320 - Getting issue details... STATUS
      • Add tabs for deprecated content (based on deprecation task force) UP-321 - Getting issue details... STATUS
      • Add subtabs to categorize identifier systems
      • Add profiles and extensions to THO
      • List resources by title (currently name)
  • Execution of Deprecation representation and policy in UTG/THO
    • Deprecation Policy Framework documents policy and next steps
    • Immediate priorities
      • Perform inventory of deprecated content across THO
      • Create tabs where deprecated content exists
        1. Document deprecation and expectations around deprecation on THO subtabs
        2. Must also document retired, as there is often confusion between deprecation and retirement
      • Requested IG Publisher change to render identifier.period for CodeSystem and ValueSet: https://github.com/HL7/fhir-ig-publisher/issues/455
  • Task force recommendation review and implementation (voting, quorums, WG health, etc.): UTG Task Force Recommendations to TSC 
    • Tracked by HSCR-155 - Getting issue details... STATUS and its subtasks
    • Continuing to fill OSG voter slots
      • FMG: John Moerke, Bryn Rhodes, suggest adding Rob Hausam
      • CMG: Lisa Nelson, Alexander Henket, Marc Duteau
      • V2: Michael Faughn, Frank Oemig, Rob Snelick
    • Will continue to follow-up on filling Realm-based and Vocab OSGs
  • Vocab suggests that TSMG require all code systems to have a Steward
      • Vocab WG to run a query for each code system across FHIR core to identify the resources and their responsible WG(s) for each listed code system.
      • Rob Hausam reached out to Grahame to determine best way to do this
      • Might be able to use binding to determine steward by mining it out from resource that is referencing it
   Adjournment0 JBCall adjourned at 4:55PM EDT. Next call in two weeks at 4:00PM EDT August 30, 2022.

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