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Chair:   Robert Dieterle , Lloyd McKenzie 

Scribe: Vanessa Candelora 


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Management

Review ANSI Anti-Trust Policy






Call Structure

  1. Burden Reduction (CRD/DTR/PAS) - Wednesday at 11am ET 

  2. Burden Reduction (CRD/DTR/PAS) - Friday at 3pm ET 

Zulip: https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/259713-DaVinci-Burden.20Reduction.20interoperability 



Announcements / Housekeeping




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CMS HL7 Virtual Connectathon - July 2022

Date: July 19-21, 2022    

Registration:  https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/56MXVRF (Closes June 30)

Location:  Virtual

Track Page: CMS 2022 - 07 Da Vinci Burden Reduction (BR) Track - Expect track page changes based on Track lead Session yesterday.

Need Testers to coordinate in advance and demonstrate interoperability during the event.  Opportunity for Implementers to demonstrate capabilities. Sign Up here: Planning Demos Schedule- CMS HL7 Virtual Connectathon - July 2022







Ballot Reconciliation - CRD



Follow-up from past weeks

Follow-up from past weeks:

  1. (Not covering today) - FHIR-36453 - Homework was to define "relevant" hooks for workflow. 
  2. FHIR-37484 - Getting issue details... STATUS - left off here on 5/24/2022. See comments in ticket. 


  1. FHIR-37484 - Getting issue details... STATUS - See Comment added post last call from Kyle.

Would change a SHOULD to a SHALL :

Appropriate system action change.  


Hans tickets marked for in-person

Ballot Comments reported by Hans Buitendijk (4 marked for In Person Review)



Proposed list of CRD tickets ready for this call.

Proposed list of CRD tickets ready for this call.

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36512 Accuracy section revision

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36509 will CRD Clients be informed of failure to meet the complete documentation requirements?

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36502 delete phrase 'starting a patient visit'

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36477 Add codes

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36474 CPT copyright year

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36471 Suggest adding to overview (note: this overlaps with 36477


If Reporter above is not available, we could discuss the following:

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36189 Da Vinci CRD ignores service-type based delegation by payer

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-36187 Where the spec does not specify, it must not mandate

FHIR-36512 - Getting issue details... STATUS - Wording seems too broad, request is to make it more discrete, maybe add examples. Proposed something like: there may be limited circumstances that would 

Andrea agrees with adding examples, putting a bit more parameters on it. 

Not writing policy here. We have the formal Spec and then there is guidance on how to implement.

Suggestion to have a section for this guidance. 

How should this be integrated - best practices section (like in CDS Hooks)

Examples like changes in coverage between when the PA is approved and when the patient receives the service. 

We want to reduce burden and get patients care. The change in the sentence 

Points made:

1) This IG cannot change behavior about circumstances changing in the real world, payer policy, or policy. 

2) the sentence as written is too broad and implies that anything can change, thus minimizing the value of the IG for Prior Auth and it's purpose to reduce burden on patients. 

The proposed wording is better. removed the addition about the fax/phone - not needed.  

Reviewed and approved. 


FHIR-36509 - Getting issue details... STATUS - Bob and Lloyd discussed, 

If the CRD app is unable to return a response, is it required to launch DTR? 

Answer: No.  DTR is not required for CRD.  The expectation is that CRD is aware of what DTR can and can't do.  e.g if you are making a referral, (can't make a decision) then it should know if there is a DTR app for that service to be able to launch it.  

  • The CRD app is saying Prior Auth may be required, ideally, launches DTR.  short term, may be a link to a policy page/older process page for Prior Auth Submission or documentation that is required for coverage. 

Reviewed and approved. 


FHIR-36502 - Getting issue details... STATUS - Discussed scenarios where it makes sense that CRD would be started at the time of a Patient visit, e.g. Admitting a patient. 

Action to create a new encounter would trigger CRD and then CRD would come back and say, by the way, we require Prior Auth. 

Pick up here next week.  




Side bar question on order sign.  Wouldn't we want to do it sooner? You could - at Order select. 

Could you recheck for eligibly or re-trigger PR when the service is closer?  

Payers have regular Prior Auth policy changes and they would communicate and share. 

AMA resource - collected policy changes on Prior Auth during covid: https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-01/prior-auth-policy-covid-19.pdf


Ballot Reconciliation - DTR

Happening on Fridays at 3pm ET. 











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Adjournment
Adjourned at 11:57pm ET

Supporting Documents

Outline Reference

Supporting Document

Minute Approval
Implementer Questions (CRD/DTR/PAS)


Da Vinci Implementer Support Page

Zulip Streams:

PAS is https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/208874-Da-Vinci.20PAS
CRD is https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/180803-Da-Vinci.20CRD
DTR is https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/197320-Da-Vinci.20DTR

Call to All Implementers: Please come with your questions!

1) Add your question in the Zulip Stream listed above in advance of the call and tag Vanessa CandeloraRobert Dieterle and the IG lead.

We learn as a community and iterate on the IGs through real world experience, so your contributions are welcome!

STU Published IG Links
CRD / DTR Supplemental Guide

CRD / DTR Supplemental Guide

Ballot and Community Feedback Tracking (JIRA) Da Vinci Coverage Requirements Discovery (CRD) STU Balloting Dashboard
Da Vinci Documentation Templates and Rules (DTR) STU Balloting Dashboard
Da Vinci Prior Authorization Support (PAS) STU Balloting Dashboard


Action items

  •  Robert Dieterle , Varghese Mathew , talk offline about the impact of in network/out of network on whether Prior Auth is required or not (just co-pay impact or more?)

Attendees -  


Present

Name

Affiliation


PresentNameAffiliation
PresentNameAffiliation
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POCP, Da Vinci PMO
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Sreekanth PuramMettle Solutions
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Cognizant
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MITRE
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MITRE
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Change
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Enable Care
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MITRE
  •  
Chetana SureshIBC
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Mitre
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Anna Taylor

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Smile CDR
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Christopher GraconIndependent Health
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Varghese Mathew EPIC
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Gevity
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Smitha HarishMettle Solutions
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Mallik NimmagaddaMCG
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RFA, CAQH CORE
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EverNorth
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Farheen Khalileclinicalworks
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HL7 FM
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Thomson KuhnACP
  •  
Ricky ZouCognizant
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eClinicalWorks
  •  
Jessica CzulewiczCMS
  •  
Nicholas Volker
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AMA
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HeathEPIC
  •  
John Donnelly
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Heather McComasAMA
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Tibco
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Joyce Quach MITRE
  •  
Meg RileyMITRE
  •  
Optum
  •  
MaxMD
  •  
Susan Bellile Availity
  •  
Sahil MalhotraMITRE
  •  
Kristina McCann
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BCBST
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Beth ConnorCMS
  •  
Christina DexterCognizant
  •  
Michelle BarryAvaility
  •  
Sean O'QuinnCerner
  •  
Tim McNeil Surescripts
  •  
Yolanda Liu MITRE
  •  
CMS
  •  
Gary Dickinson 
  •  
Thomas Grannan

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Rajesh GodavarthiMCG Health
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Robi ScalfaniMITRE
  •  
Marivie Lanter

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Jim Denyer IBC
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United Healthcare
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  •  
Rob Brull Infor
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Bryan Briegel IBM Watson Health
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Mettle
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Katie RussellCovermymeds
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David DeGandi Cambia
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  •  
Versaggi Consulting
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David DelanoMHDC
  •  
Amanda MerrittZeOmega
  •  
Philip MaherCerner
  •  
Don Rucker
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Dawn Duchek

Trizetto Provider Solutions
  •  
Mark

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@Dorrie Speckman

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Multi-Care ConnectedCare
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@Kyle JohnsenEpic
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Deb ConklinMedical Mutual, X12
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Chris Johnson BCBSAL
  •  
@Brian LindInfor
  •  
Molly Reese AMA
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Julie King Cognizant
  •  
Alyson BroxtonCognizant
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Vassil Peytchev Epic
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Amol Vyas Cambia Health
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Epic
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Optum
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Wanda Govan-JenkinsOS/ONC
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AHA
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AHA
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Zach Robin MITRE
  •  
Yukta BellaniEvernorth
  •  
Jason TeepleEvernorth
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Phung Matthews3M
  •  
Sheljina IbrahimAnthem
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Epic
  •  
Ryan BussellCohere Health
  •  
Diederik Muylwyk 

Smile CDR

  •  
Fred Switzer Epic
  •  
Christopher BustardCohere Health
  •  
Optum
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@KDeviCore/ Evernorth
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 Anup MahansariaSg3
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TomSmileCDR
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@Anushe AlySmile CDR
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@Tamilka Bevels