Terminology Services Management Group
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Chair:   Caroline Macumber 

Scribe: Davera Gabriel 

Date/Time: 

Tuesday, January 10th, 8:30-10:00PM UTC

Tuesday, January 10th,  3:30-5:00 PM USA ET

Wednesday, January 11th, 7:30-9:00AM (next day) AEST

Wednesday, January 11th, 9:30-11:00AM NZDT   

Attendees

Attendee type:

M - TSMG Member

O -Observer / Guest

Attendance:

P - present

A - Apologies

X - (Apologies with Proxy)

Name

Affiliation

M (Co-Chair)P

Caroline Macumber(CM) 

Clinical Architecture
M (Co-Chair)P

Davera Gabriel (DG)

The Johns Hopkins University
M (Co-Chair)P

Reuben Daniels (RD)

Saludax
M (CSDO)

Daniel Vreeman  (DV)

HL7 International
M (TSMG Rep to the TSC)

Rob McClure (RM) 

MD Partners, Inc.
MP - joined at 4:05p

Bryn Rhodes (BR) 

Alphora
MP

Jessica Bota (JB) 

Apelon, Inc.
M

Lisa R. Nelson (LN)

MaxMD
MP

Michael Faughn (MF)

National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
MP

John Carter (JC)

HL7 New Zealand
MA

Roel Barelds (RB)

Precipius b.v.
M

Ioana Singureanu (IS)

US Department of Veterans Affairs
O

Grahame Grieve (GG)

Health Intersections
O

Joan Harper (JH)

Canada Health Infoway
O

Patrick McLaughlin (PM)

National Library of Medicine
O

Robert Hausam (RH)

Hausam Consulting LLC
O

Suzy Roy (SR)

SNOMED International
O

Cara Schlegel (CS)

ICF 
O

Robert Hausam (RH)

MITRE
O
Joe FlackJohns Hopkins BIDS
O

Carmela A. Couderc (CC)

Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology (ONC)
O
John SnyderNational Library of Medicine (US)
O
Ted KleinTK Consulting
O
Lloyd MackenzieAccenture
O
Ravi KafleWashington State Department of Health
O
Doug DeShazoLexisNexis
O
MaryKay McDanielFM/Markam
O
Corey SpearsMITRE
O
John SpinosaLantana
O
Harold SolbrigMayo
O
Joe AmlungReginstrief
O
Martha JonesHL7 Intern
O
Riki MerrickVernetzt, LLC
O
Gaurav Vaidya
O
Emily PfaffUNC
O
Eric PrudhommeauxJaneiro Digital
O
David BoothYosemite Project
O
Jim BalhoffUNC
O
Christian ReichOHDSI
O
Marc DuteauHL7
O
Juliet RubiniICF


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Minutes Approved as Presented 

WGM

This is to approve minutes via general consent. "You have received the minutes. Are there any corrections to the minutes? (pause) Hearing none, if there are no objections, the minutes are approved as printed."

Agenda Topics 

Meeting was recorded. Note items in RED below are deferred due to lack of time

Agenda Outline

Time allocationLead

Agenda Item

Administration

10RD
  • Announcements
  • Upcoming Meeting Schedule (Quorum is 6 attendees + 1 co-chair)
    • 1/17 - WGM
      • Topics for joint with Vocab at WGM
        • Terminologies expectations for developers
        • Status update: THO as a source for V2 - MF and / or Frank
        • Summarize OID & duplicate issues in THO
      • Thursday Q2 session - no urgent business, will cancel
  • Action Items from last week
    • ALL TSMG members need to review the comments. on Terminology Expectations for IG Developers Policy and be prepared to discuss today
    • Carol to notify TSC of our 
      • Intent to resolve TEID feedback this week
      • Present high-level information around policy at co-chair dinner 
      • TSMG Membership to include Rob M in 2023 and he will remain TSC rep
  • TSMG calls post WGM
    • Davera has set up the Doodle Poll - please fill out prior to the Thursday next week
  • TSMG presentation at co-chair dinner (Rob M)
    • TEID intro
    • UTG Update
    • OID Debacle 
PSS Needing External Review
All

PSS-2145 - Getting issue details... STATUS

TSMG Standing Subcommittee Updates


 HL7 Terminology / Unified Terminology Governance (THO/UTG)As neededJB/RM/CC
  HL7 Terminology / Unified Terminology Governance (THO/UTG)10RD/JB
  • Technical correction for THO due to corrupt R3 package
    • Grahame confirmed we do not need the technical correction urgently (as initially suspected) and it can wait until next freeze/release scheduled for 2/12
  • Duplicate URLs in THO
    • Duplicate URLs in THO for CVX: http://build.fhir.org/ig/HL7/UTG/CodeSystem-CVX.html vs. http://build.fhir.org/ig/HL7/UTG/CodeSystem-v2-0292.html
    • We retired the entry from V2, but according to Grahame this will still cause issues with the IG infrastructure getting things wrong
    • He suggests we remove from THO
    • RM: states this is clearly an error and these two pages should only be one page.  The content in the retired page should be represented in the active page, and the retired page removed.
    • This reminds us that by using the special url config in the publisher the url that is indicated as special is not checked against other things in the ID and therefore in the checking in the IGs were not checking the appropriate information.
    • Suggestion to confer with HTA to see what information from the retired page needs to be ported to the active page
      • Work complete via UP-374 - Getting issue details... STATUS and ready for review/vote
  • Recommendation from Vocab to TSMG on handling of THO OIDs
  • Review fix for 'All HL7 Code Systems' tab
    • UP-320 - Getting issue details... STATUS
    • Options are to break down by product family or maintain two separate manifests (more work and more prone to error), more details in ticket comment
    • Discussion included adding the following comment to the ticket: 
      • Discussion in TSMG meeting 13Dec22 included a suggestion to define a THO category extension that could be used to drive categorization of these pages within THO, reducing the need to manually maintain manifest lists for each product family, etc.  This could be enabled through a custom xslt template.  This would be a good solution conferring a reduction of work for THO maintenance. 
    • Decision on this topic requires a vote.  Quorum not established but discussion was fruitful
  • UTG/THO Subcommittee recommendation about adding release tracking information to THO

Parking lot and work in progress

  • Workflow for THO releases (moving content approved in ballot to THO AND how to handle missed THO deadline)
    • Requires discussion - priority item to resolve
    • This is a key component of the IG Developer tutorial
    • This item is blocked without the expectations for IG developers policy being developed.
    • 8Nov22 TSMG meeting: deferred
  • Versioning policy for UTG/THO
    • Finished proposal for HL7 Code System elements
    • There are a few higher level considerations before moving over to Value Sets
    • Progressing to finish HL7 Value Sets and moving to External Identifier System Metadata Records
HL7 Terminology Authority (HTA)

    • Next meeting on Wed 11 January 3-4pm EASTERN US.  
      • 211LA main topic
Outreach & Education

  • Vulcan FHIR to OMOP project
    • Track in the January Connectathon
      • validation architecture based on CAMP FHIR
    • Vulcan 101 presentation section (14Dec22)
    • Environmental scan report - started
  • Alignment of Value Sets across product families - with Lisa Nelson
  • Develop standard curriculum requirements for 3 workshops:
    • Intro to FHIR Terminology
    • Advanced FHIR terminology
    • Terminology for IG Developers
  • Write-ups for dissemination (to be developed)
    • Accessing CDCREC Value Set
    • Using ICD-11 on FHIR
    • Terminology Expectations for IG Developers (component of workshop above)
Technical Steering Committee (TSC) matters10RM

TSC Membership - (deferred: RM not available today)

    • RM has requested to remain on TSMG. As nictiz was looking for another representative (instead of Chantal), RM may be able to fill that seat without TSMG needing to add a seat.
Parking Lot 

  • Terminology Server (Implementation Requirement)
    • Follow-up from WGM - next steps re: terminology server (service) requirements (1-page description)
  • UTG / THO Subcommittee work in progress
    • Vocab WG follow-up: Policy Requiring Identification of Stewards for HL7 (Internal) Code Systems
Adjournment


Supporting Documents

Outline Reference

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Tasks

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