Caroline Macumber(CM) 

Davera Gabriel (DG)

Reuben Daniels (RD)

Daniel Vreeman  (DV)

Rob McClure (RM) 

Bryn Rhodes (BR) 

Jessica Bota (JB) 

Lisa R. Nelson (LN)

Michael Faughn (MF)

Peter Jordan (PJ)

Roel Barelds (RB)

Sylvia Thun (ST)

Grahame Grieve (GG)

Joan Harper (JH)

Patrick McLaughlin (PM)

Robert Hausam (RH)

Suzy Roy (SR)

Cara Schlegel (CS)

Robert Hausam (RH)

Carmela A. Couderc (CC)

• Announcements
  • SNOMED Expo registration open / program link is here

• Outreach / Education Topics
  • Subgroup meeting reverting to monthly cadence.  meeting again after WGM 
• RD: content replicated between FHIR Core spec & THO / UTG
  • In upcoming WGM: lunch session to provide training about purpose of the UTG & THO content
    • Moving content from core spec into THO is causing some issues
    • This session aims to ameliorate this problem 
    • Request to capture session - high-value content will be captured 

• Release of THO (RD will provide update)
  • Per Grahame: broken links in FHIR core spec as a result of changes made to THO
    • requesting an update be made to accommodate / fix links
  • Now planning an ad hoc early September freeze: 9/5
    • Mark can start publication process so tooling can be updated prior to publication
    • JB:  Does GH need an update / publication to support ballot?
      • RM: no update is needed until GH gets into the ballot reconciliation process
      • There will be an update needed based on those changes
      • JB: next planned release is Oct 27-ish...will that work?
  • RM: policy development... THO release is needed both for ballots as well as for publication (after ballot reconciliation)
    • JB: there is a goal to not respond to individual requests, but to have IG development process align with the established schedule
    • RM: content developers need to be able to develop content before it get moves into THO.
    • JB: is concerned with FHIR core. Adding content to the FHIR spec that is intended to reside in THO.  Would like to take this issue off-line. 
• E-vote for review of terminology expectations for IG developers
  • Terminology Expectations for IG Developers (Working)
  • E-vote has been set up: 2022-07-11 TSMG e-Vote
  • eVote to be completed by today
  • Issues raised so far
    • RM suggests that THO anchored links in other areas should redirect/resolve
    • RM suggests that url should include IG name to avoid conflicts
  • Standard workflow is needed - progress requires more input
• Many CodeSystems use terminology.hl7.org urls when they should be hl7.org/fhir FHIR-37440 - Getting issue details... STATUS
  • Michael Faughn extracted code systems and value sets based on url (resources matched by id) from the THO/FHIR NPM packages
  • There are 72 Code Systems that have been identified as potential duplicates across FHIR and THO, 18 of which have a different url anchor (hl7.org/fhir vs. terminology.hl7.org) and 16 were identified to have differences with concepts.
  • Discussed discrepancies on FMG call last week
    • Grahame will help resolve duplicates and will involve resources where there are conflicts in the content between duplicate resources
    • This won't be done prior to R5 freeze, but can be addressed before publication of R5
    • FMG would like these changes in before ballot (9/14) so the changes need to be in by 9/4
    • Lloyd M estimates reconciliation for R5 will be complete in Spring 2023
    • (in chat) MF: Was it if a url change meant it was a new code system?
      
      • (in chat) RM: new code systems are given a new identifier (url, oid) But giving something another identifier does not mean it must be a different code system

• Versioning policy for UTG/THO
  • Reuben to provide update on first meeting - weekly Wednesdays 4p EASTERN 
  • This week's discussion topic: HL7 terminology systems in THO
• Standard copyright for HL7 content
  • Raising suggestion to have a standard copyright statement for content maintained and published by HL7
  • Dan V to chat with Grahame and agrees more discussion is needed