Attendee type:

M - TSMG Member

O -Observer / Guest

Attendance:

P - present

A - Apologies

X - (Apologies with Proxy)

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Affiliation

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Administration

• TSMG appointments for 2023
  • Slate needs to be developed
    • Expiring members and willingness to stand again (y/n)
      • Davera - yes
      • Sylvia - no
      • Rob M - no
      • Peter - no
      • Michael - yes
      • Roel - yes

• TSMG ratification votes from 28 July 2022 meeting
  • VA — National Drug File — Reference Terminology (NDF-RT)
    • Adopt newly drafted NDF-RT HTA Page with the following endorsed code system identifiers:
      
      • • OID: 2.16.840.1.113883.6.209
        • URI: http://hl7.org/fhir/ndfrt
    • Create corresponding Code System Metadata and Code System Identifier records in THO.
  • FDA — Unique Ingredient Identifiers (UNII)
    • Adopt newly drafted UNII HTA Page with the following endorsed code system identifiers:
      
      • • OID: 2.16.840.1.113883.4.9
        • URI: http://fdasis.nlm.nih.gov
    • Create corresponding Code System Metadata and Code System Identifier records in THO.
  • ISO — ISO 3166 Country Codes
    • HTA Confluence page requires URI and OID updates to align with core FHIR spec; and new THO Code System Metadata and Code System Identifier Records should be created and older ones removed.
    • Remove ISO 3166 COUNTRY CODES HTA page and add the following three new pages as follows:
      • Codes for the representation of names of countries and their subdivisions Part 1, Country code (ISO 3166-1)
        • OID: TBD
        • URI: urn:iso:std:iso:3166
      • Codes for the representation of names of countries and their subdivisions Part 2, Country subdivision code (ISO 3166-2)
        
        • OID: TBD
        • URI: urn:iso:std:iso:3166:-2
      • Codes for the representation of names of countries and their subdivisions Part 3, Code for formerly used names of countries (ISO 3166-3)
        • OID: TBD
        • URI: urn:iso:std:iso:3166:-3
    • Retire the following existing Code System Metadata and Code System Identifier records in THO
      • Iso31661edition2
      • Iso31661edition2alpha2
      • Iso31661edition2alpha3
      • Iso3166_2
    • Create 3 pairs of Code System Metadata and Code System Identifier records corresponding to the above three HTA pages.
  • ISO — ISO/IEEE 11073-10101:2020 Health informatics — Device interoperability — Part 10101: Point-of-care medical device communication — Nomenclature (MDC)
    
    • Update ISO/IEEE 11073 Nomenclature for Personal Medical Device Communication HTA page as follows
      • Change canonical URI from https://rtmms.nist.gov/rtmms/index.htm#!rosetta to urn:iso:std:iso:11073:10101
      • Add canonical OID: 2.16.840.1.113883.6.24
    • DG: Motion to update corresponding Code System Metadata and Code System Identifier records in THO to align with other metadata fields in the updated HTA pages. RB: Seconds the motion.  Motion passes 9-0-0.
    • RM: these changes would be occurring when?  after ballot closes... do we issue a JIRA ticket? The ballot requires stable content in THO, when the ballot opens, things in THO cannot change.
    • JB (in chat): They also have a status of retired
    • RD: we would like to fix the broken links.  RM: the state of content when the ballot opens needs to persist, broken links or not

• Discussion on Management Group reforms
  • From RM's Zulip update:  https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/300935-TSMG-members/topic/Response.20needed.20on.20TSMG.20term.20limits
  • Term limits: Of the 4 MGs - 2 against, 2 for.
  • TSC has asked us to consider opening up the MGs so that there are no appointed members and instead it works just like a WG. Perhaps appointed co-chairs (or elected - which approach was not discussed) but anyone can attend, participate, and vote.
    • RM needs feedback on that approach. I for one voiced concerns that doing that would have an unintended negative impact by allowing people to reduce the commitment to participate and attend.
  • Please comment on if this proposal is something you would like to see adopted.
  • RM also mentioned the idea of official appointed alternate members that only voted when quorum was not met. As a way to get people involved but at a lower intensity so that cycling folks on/off might be easier. There was concern that added too much co-chair burden.
    • Commentary required from TSMG members on this too.
• Proposal: TSC Product Management Council
• RM: would like to take an alternative proposal to the TSC.  
• RD:  please state the problem(s) as perceived by the TSC
  • RM: adding new membership, but also want to address the issue of having members that persist forever (for a very long time)
• RM: Suggesting there would be 2 alternative members that would be available to vote as proxies or when others are not available, sufficient to establish quorum.
• RM: re: term lengths - suggesting alternatives like 2 or 4 year terms then cycle off for a year. 
  • RD: if there is the caveat for alternative members then this address the occasional difficulty of establishing quorum.  
• RM will take to the TSC: 4 year terms, then one year off and establishing 2 alternate members as outlined above 

• 21 unresolved tickets.
• 11 relate to the OID registry
• https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-33947?filter=19521
• Suggestions for resolving these
  • Allocate time in Main call
  • Block votes
  • Subcommittee which must have a TSMG quorum
• DG: Moves to take the Block vote approach.  JB: Seconds.  Motion passes 8-0-0
• RM comment: surprised that tickets can be assigned to a management group:  RD: yes... FMG has many. 

• Terminology Server (Implementation Requirement)
  • Follow-up from WGM - next steps re: terminology server (service) requirements (1-page description)
    • Needs to clearly state why we do not have what is needed in the currently available services including THO or tx.fhir.org
    • Jess / Reuben / Rob Hausam/Davera
      • working draft of the document is here
      • initial conclusion for editing period has passed
• Distributed Terminology Services Track Proposal - draft in process
• UTG / THO Subcommittee work in progress
  • Deprecation Policy and Implementation
    
    • Inventory of deprecated content and tab creation in progress
    • Deprecation Policy Framework
    • Issue logged to render identifier.period: https://github.com/HL7/fhir-ig-publisher/issues/455
  • Filling slots for UTG OSG Voters
    • Management Groups for Product Family OSGs 
      • FMG: John Moerke, Bryn Rhodes, Rob Hausam? 
      • CMG: Lisa Nelson, Alexander Henket, Marc Duteau
      • V2: Michael Faughn, Frank Oemig, Rob Snelick
  • Vocab WG follow-up: Policy Requiring Identification of Stewards for HL7 (Internal) Code Systems
    • Rob H reached out to Grahame about mining for steward values
    • List of code systems without steward is here