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Minutes Approved as Presented
2022-03-02 TSMG Agenda and Minutes
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Welcome to members and observers
Meeting times in March - with seasonal time zone changes (on March 13)
HIMSS in March (meeting impacted: 16th) week - Carol & Jess will not be able to attend TSMG meeting
next weeks meeting will be skipped
Policy & Process Documentation Repository
Disposition - library approach
Each TSMG Subgroup should have their own pages
TSMG Standing Subcommittee Updates
May Connectathon Management
Terminology Services track offerings
Office Hours Experts
OMOP + FHIR harmonization group
Closing-in on a URI for OMOP Vocabulary
impacts OMOP-to-FHIR transformations
Dan V suggestion: explore use of CodeSystemSupplement
developing other examples
AI: invite Dan V to discuss this approach in TSMG meeting
Vulcan FHIR-to-OMOP proposal vote by Friday
HL7 Terminology Authority
Meeting this week: 10Mar22
Gender Harmony: V2 tables in publication
THO is the source of truth now or not?
When will the V2 management be ready to switch over?
MF: currently working on porting the information out of the V2 UTG GitHub repo. Q: is this a full compliment of info - note that there is some information that appears to be missing. MF: will take responsibility to assuring the V2 information is up to date.
CM to JB: gather THO examples to support this discussion with V2MG, work with MF to ensure the available content supports assertions / concerns re: THO being the source of truth, and socialize both the THO solutions as well as the concerns expressed by the V2 community. Close any gaps between these perspectives
RD: this would set a policy precedent for handling a family of code system identifiers using the version element to identify which specific edition a specific URI would pertain to.
CM: this would require that there be documentation re: to how this policy would be implemented, including information about the specific instances in which this approach is applied
BR: if this approach is leveraged, then both the edition and version would be required to be a part of this documentation
CM: the issue with that would be there would be a need to develop a separate THO entry for each edition
RD: the issue with creating new records is that HTA doesn't have a distinct publisher for each combination pertaining to each family member (combination of edition and version)
RM: if the version element is used as suggested, will this break anything?
JB: doesn't think it will break anything, can have separate resources cannot have separate resources use the same URL becuase that would break things. This has been discussed previously. Need a page that explains the process for SNOMED. if this element is used as being discussed this mean that the resource cannot be versioned
RM: are there FHIR terminology servers that have more than one edition? (Yes) then how are these supported on these FHIR TermServers?
PJ: there's no such thing as a SNOMED common core anymore because of the many editions of SNOMED. As such there is a requirement to deal with both versions and editions. in FHIR will need to treat every separate edition as a different CodeSystem
BR: technically the SNOMED CT international edition is an edition, and not a version. The right way to do this would be to put the right edition information in the URL and put the version in version. this resource is metadata, and thus that resource should have the canonical URL and its not the code system, and should never be used as the code system.
RD: the issue is that IG publishers look at the records to create IGs and would see this & use this as a code system
BR: then a solution might include a record indicating the record is to indicate this is how SNOMED is referenced in the publishing tooling and not to be used as a code system identifier. Leave the THO version and then create a SNOMED family of identifiers.
CM: the THO / HTA records are supposed to be the source of truth which validation for publishing is meant to be used
RM: another issue is that any instances will not be able to be validated against records that use this approach, would mean there's a special code for SNOMED
PJ: is already tricky becuase there's an implicit requirement to validate codes against editions and versions already
RD: these metadata records do not have a role with any terminology server instances, its supports publishing only
Info sent to Rob and Bryn and will be passed along to TSC
THO post-release cleanup
JB Motion, DG Seconds: Motion passes 8-0-0 The THO/UTG subcommittee recommends a policy that UTG GitHub branches be removed that have been implemented prior to the current and previous releases of THO and that all BitBucket branches will be kept as backup
Jess will follow-up with Mark to get those extra branches cleaned up in BitBucket
Adding CDA Value Sets missing from THO (
Getting issue details...STATUS
Will collaborate with Jess, Lisa, Marc, Rob H and others (including Rob M) to get this task done. Ted has more info on missing attributes.
Call for UTG OSG Voters
Email sent yesterday/this morning to Management Groups forProduct Family OSGs
Asked for responses by 3/31
Ask Rob and Peter for help recruiting forRealm-Based OSG
Decide if all Vocab/TSMG members should be in theVocab OSG (IF they are not assigned another OSG)
Vocab WG follow-up: Policy Requiring Identification of Stewards for HL7 (Internal) Code Systems
In Vocab WG - Motion passed: Vocab WG recommends that TSMG implement a rule stating that: Every HL7 code system in THO must have a steward WG. The steward WG has to be one of the WGs that are authorized to propose making changes to an HL7 code system in THO.