Meeting Information

Meeting ID: 912 9786 9819

Passcode: 594748

Chair:  Reuben

Scribe: Davera

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Attendee type:

T - TSMG Member

O - observer

L - liaison


P - present

A - Apologies

X- Proxy



Julie JamesBlue Wave Informatics LLP
TA – X (Reuben)

Roel Barelds

Precipius b.v.

TPSylvia ThunHL7 Germany
TA – X (Davera)Carol MacumberClinical Architecture
TPReuben DanielsSaludax
TPDavera GabrielJohns Hopkins University Institute for Clinical and Translational Research

Wayne Kubick


LPSuzy RoySNOMED International
Andrea MacLeanCanada Health Infoway
TPJessica BotaUTG/Apelon
Ted KleinKlein Consulting / HL7 UTG / Vocabulary WG CoChair
Rob HausamVocabulary WG CoChair
Mareike PrzysuchaHL7 Germany
Rob McClureUS Realm Liaison
Rory DavidsonSNOMED International
Diana WrightLantana Consulting Group
OPJoanie HarperCanada Health Infoway
OPCarl LeitnerWorld Health Organization (WHO)

PChris MeloPhilips Health Care


PZofia Das-GuptaICHOM

PGreg RobinsonICHOM

Minutes of previous teleconference (2021-1-27) 

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TC Minutes Approval


Quorum was met

Motion to approve Minutes:

DG moves, JB seconds: Motion Passes 3-0-0 

TopicOIDs for ICDNew ItemCL & RD


Presently OID registry has record for ICD10 that was entered by Grahame. WHO has plans to manage arc of this OID and other OID records in the future.  Requesting assistance updating the records.  Joan Harper provides: Wilfred Bonney  for assistance in updating HL7 registry 

KOSTANJSEK, Nenad Friedrich Ivan <> is the WHO contact for updating these records. 

ST: There are many country -specific registrations (modifications) of OIDs many are branches under HL7 affiliates.  How to or whether to update?  Possibly not intending to change the affiliate records.

If there are questions re: how to update these records, HTA will be available as this process unfolds.  For example: will require other identifiers. 


UTG/THO Update

ContinuousJess and Reuben

Identifier Systems being moved to THO by Jess: UP-285 - Getting issue details... STATUS

"Using X with FHIR" pages being moved to THO by Reuben before R5 freeze

Tickets requiring approval to be added to THO CI build:

UP-252 - Getting issue details... STATUS

UP-272 - Getting issue details... STATUS

UP-274 - Getting issue details... STATUS

UP-282 - Getting issue details... STATUS

UP-284 - Getting issue details... STATUS

TopicNew PSS ReviewContinuousCarol

PSS-1893 - Getting issue details... STATUS  ICHOM breast cancer patient-centered outcome measure set FHIR IG

Greg: ICHOM has mapping to  LOINC

ST:  Suggestion to look at LOINC, in implementation the LOINC codes are being used

Greg:  becuase data are a mix of data from PROMS and data derived from EHRs, thus mapping to SNOMED & LOINC.  The questions are stored in databases in addition to the LOINC / SNOMED Codes

ST:  Suggesting to consider  /  look at utilization of LOINC.

Greg:  we will take that under consideration


External SDO and Code System Issues

(review JIRA tickets

ContinuousCarol/ Reuben

JIRA Dashboard in progress

ClinVar Variation ID

  • HTA-42 - Getting issue details... STATUS
  • Page: ClinVar Variation ID
  • Status has been changed to In Review. Joel Schneider  to query the Genomic WG for feedback on the existing HTA registered information
  • RD:  Will place this item on the Vocab Chair call next week


  • HTA-64 - Getting issue details... STATUS
  • Davera Gabriel  inquiring with contact as to the difference between the nomenclature and classification. two code systems or all part of one?
    • per "expert" these are two different things
    • ST: Is mapped / included in SNOMED CT & also ICD.  Its regulated for use in many countries.  Per Sylvia's opinion -this is one coding system and it also has a classification system.  Deferred for additional discussion.

Additional items below - we ran out of time. 

Genotype Ontology (GENO)

  • HTA-67 - Getting issue details... STATUS


  • HTA-68 - Getting issue details... STATUS


  • HTA-69 - Getting issue details... STATUS


  • HTA-70 - Getting issue details... STATUS





    • ST raised that the ICD-10-GM page has disappeared from the HTA's External Terminologies Information Pages. Reuben Daniels will investigate.
    • No update


Updated CS Identifier process guidance

Continued from previousCarol

We are almost through the core principles. Having issues scheduling a call before holiday break. Will look into January for next call.

The draft is located here: Validating and Requesting Identifiers for External Code Systems and Identifier Systems

HTA members and observers are asked to review the drafted text, directly edit where changes are needed and use the comment functionality to ask additional questions. We will review again (and hopefully approve on the next HTA call, which will be at the WGM).

TopicContinued from previousReuben
  • The OID 2.16.840.1.113883.6.42 is stated in
  • The OID 2.16.840.1.113883.6.2 is stated in
    • THO/UTG's ICD-9-CM Code System Metadata Record as the OID for ICD-9-CM
    • the HL7 OID Registry as a retired OID for ICD-9CM with the following note: Note that this has been retired in favor of an explicit split between the diagnosis codes and the procedures codes as per the Vocablary TC decision on Wednesday Q4, January 21, 2004.  Replaced by 2.16.840.1.113883.6.103 and 2.16.840.1.113883.6.104 as voted by committee.  -T. Klein
  • The OID 2.16.840.1.113883.6.103 is stated in
  • The OID 2.16.840.1.113883.6.104 is stated in
    • the HL7 OID Registry as the OID for ICD-9CM (procedure codes)
  • Requirement:
    • What are the correct OIDs for
      • ICD-9; and
      • ICD-9-CM 
  • Rob McClure to provide an update after checking in with the US Realm group.  No Update

Any Other Business

AdjournmentMeeting adjournedN/ARD

Call adjourned at 

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