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Attendees
Attendee type: H - HTA Member O - observer L - liaison | Present P - present A - Apologies | Name | Affiliation |
|---|---|---|---|
| H | P | Julie James | Blue Wave Informatics LLP |
| H | P | Roel Barelds | ICT Group |
| H | P | Susan Matney | Intermountain Health |
| H | P | Sylvia Thun | HL7 Germany |
| H | P | Carol Macumber | Apelon Inc. |
| H | Reuben Daniels | Saludax | |
| H | Davera Gabriel | Johns Hopkins University Institute for Clinical and Translational Research | |
| L | Wayne Kubick | HL7 (CTO) | |
| L | Jane Millar | SNOMED International | |
| O | P | Andrea MacLean | Canada Health Infoway |
| O | P | Soraya Assar | Motive Medical Intelligence |
| O | P | Rob McClure | MD Partners |
Minutes of Teleconference 2019-11-26
Motion to accept proposed RB, seconded SM; carried 7-0
Agenda Topics
Agenda Outline | Agenda Item | Meeting Minutes from Discussion |
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| Management | Quorum Minutes Approval | Quorum is met Motion to approve Minutes proposed and accepted |
| Management | Calls between now and Sydney WGM | Cancel call on Christmas Eve New year calls - Julie now has a conflict at this time every other week. – Parking this item for now, Julie is OK keeping the current cycle and time if necessary. |
| Topic | Code system translation for ehDSI | See Roel's email of 2019-12-06 The European initiative ehDSI (successor to epSOS) is going to be implemented in The Netherlands through a program PIEZO. This means cross border exchange of HL7 CDA based documents. One of the borders to cross is a language border. The ehDSI Master Value Catalogue contains all code systems/value sets that are part of the information exchange. Some of those are based on HL7 terminology, which are US English only. We are working towards of translating of those to Dutch, through a formal process comparable to how we work on SNOMED CT and LOINC translations. We think it would help Dutch implementations at large to be able to access these translations in close relationship to the base code systems. As such we are looking for guidance/process on setting up how that could work. For example translations could be added to UTG. What we are currently looking at, because of ehDSI:
Roel is not sure if this should be a matter of the HTA. But I’m sure more Affiliates have this problem as well. So maybe we have to discuss this as well with the Affiliates during next WGM. Syliva: In Germany, a translation is maintained, in collaboration with Hl7, but they are not submitted back to HL7. Resolution: HTA recommends that the issue around supporting the submission, management and sharing of foreign language translations shoud be brought to the vocabulary work group. Whereas HTA should support vocab in defining the process by which HL7 (UTG) supports translations. Both vocab co-chairs (CM/RM) present are in agreement. with the resolution |
| Topic | AMA code system for FHIR accelerator | AMA and NUBC code systems for FM FHIR (Mary Kay email thread and Paul Knapp) Paul - "We are seeing more FHIR R4 based IGs which need to refer to external codesystems, do we have the approach (nameingsystem I expect) now formally defined and implemented in the tooling? I presume it is possible to reference new codesystems in R4 IGs, do you have any guidance or know issues with doing so?" Mary Kay - "AND a note that we will be doing some outreach to all around NUBC – AHA codes. We have to do some work for a project coming through FM for consumer EOBs. As part of that we are going to end up needing logic (translate to IP) in the NUBC Manual. We’d like to get everyone we need to have involved from the start. Is the best way just an email to the group on this email (and the NUBC/AHA Folks)?" |
| Topic | URLs for External Code Systems | Reviewed the new parent page for this work and initial drafting of the process. Review progress on Initial Code System Request Letter - JJ - letter is written as HTA is making the request. She had imagined that the requestor (Vocab facilitator, Accelerator faciliator, IG author etc...) would utilize the template to make the request. Should we update so the authoer is positioned as the requestor RM - HTA should be single point of contact, because we "the greater HL7 community" simply doensn't know how to "do this". Even where it's simple (ha), the process will not be executed consistently. The only way it would work, is if there is a REALLY clear guidance and process around how this gets done. Relatedly, who is responsible for creating a FHIR codesystem resource? CM - I would be against assigning HTA as the responsible party for creating code system FHIR resources RM - Agree that HTA was meant to create policies and proceses. But someone has to do the work of creating the resources RB - Agrees with Rob that HTA should be the author/sender of the letter RM - HTA also needs to provide guidance on how to make content into a codesystem so they can use it in a valueset..in a HL7 product... JJ - Should Wayne attend HTA meetings to discuss? Much has been mentioned by RM regarding Wayne's comments regarding HTA and it's role in supporting external codesystems. From Zulip (RMcC) https://chat.fhir.org/#narrow/stream/179202-terminology/topic/USA.20Dental.20Code.20System.20Canonical.20URLs
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| Topic (DID NOT GET TO THIS OR ANY SUBSEQUENT ITEMS) | Code system statement for specifications | See updated policy at General policy on the use of external code systems in HL7 standards To do: Close out the code system statement and send to FMG Julie James Contacted Grahame and FMG, HTA to provide draft text to include in IG publishing process Follow up on issues with translations Andrea MacLean to review policy and comment |
| Topic | ISO Codes - update | STILL OPEN: Other ISO standards to check: FHIR also uses the IANA Time Zones https://www.iana.org/time-zones |
| Topic | Vocab Facilitator Engagement | How to get vocab facilitators engaged and how to get project teams to engage with their vocab facilitator |
| Topic | UTG Engagement | How will UTG engage to bridge the gap, especially as the IG publisher and UTG become more integrated (still a way off) |
| Topic | FHIR Tracker Items | [#25207] Summary: Update Licence Note for Value Sets based on SNOMED GPS Still needs to craft a new statement to use in the IPS Specification (and others) Caroline Macumber |
| Adjournment | Meeting adjourned | At 22.00 Items for next call |
Action Items
- Caroline Macumber to get information from UTG team as to the current level of support for foreign translations, enabling sharing of the translation
- Julie James to send information regarding translation issue to vocab-cc listserv
- Caroline Macumber will attempt to address RM's zulip chat and Mary Kay's requests in the process page located here, will send a note to HTA-CC when it's read for review since we won't have a call on 12/24
- Julie James reply to thread with Mary Kay and Paul regarding contacting AHA/NUBC letting them know we are working on defining the process and templates to be used, but they should likely proceed in the meantime and copy HTA (yah?)