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Meeting Details

Date: May 2, 2023

Time: 2PM

Coordinates:  Join Zoom meeting: | Meeting ID: 510 046 7805 | +1 929-436-2866-US (New York)


JD Nolen, Elliot Silver, Kathy Walsh, Rob Hausam, Marti Velezis

Chair: JD Nolen

Scribe: Marti Velezis

  • Quorum (Co-Chair + 4) Met 


  • Zulip
  • JIRA Tickets - Backlog
  • Next Meeting


Meeting Notes

Zulip Discussions


  • Summary: Need to find a time to discuss the usage of Panel of Observations – that is AU friendly time. 
    • Angus Millar and David McKillop "would like to attend a HL7 O&O international teleconference to discuss, but as 2pm US Eastern time (GMT -4) correlates to 4am our time (GMT +10) it would be good to have it scheduled at your convenience."

    • Options: At WGM either Q0 - 7AM CT or Tues/Wed Q5 - 5PM CT; updated the Zulip discussion with these options for David and Angus.

JIRA Trackers for Today

  • Old JIRA review 
  • Outreach - Follow-up
    • FHIR-34491 - Add statusReason in ServiceRequest
      • We initially discussed that we did not see value in adding statusReason as we didn't know what additional value it would bring (esp. with the example of Procedure.statusReason value set)

      • We left a comment to reporter to provide use cases for us to consider
      • Also – could this be used for the next JIRA re: verbal orders??  
      • 4/18 - No further discussion this week - the submitter did not respond to the comments yet.
      • Rob will send Finnie Flores an email to get a response
      • Please try Anne Forsyth ( – she is now the manager of data standards in CIHI and may be able to provide a contact. You may wish to provide her the organ donation context.
      • 4/25 - Marti sent email Anne 
      • 5/2 - Need to take a vote based on CIHI's response: From Shannon O’Connor Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI): I’ve followed up with our Organ Donation and Transplant (ODT) team who have confirmed that they do not have a Service Request data element, or anything equivalent. As such, this request is no longer needed and can likely be deemed as Not Persuasive.
      • Added this for 5/4 OO Main call
    • FHIR-34207 - Add attribute to document confirmation
      • We started to discuss this ticket - re: As various orders may be place verbally, a ServiceRequest needs to be able to document that this ServiceRequest confirms a verbal order that may already have been fulfilled, thus not re-initiated.
      • Proposal to add extension
        • The backbone includes .time and .note (Annotation) – and annotation also includes  time.  Need to evaluate how to represent this information. 
      • We also discussed whether or not there was some connection to the status and statusReason
      • No further discussion this week - need to determine need with Hans Buitendijk 
      • Marti Velezis sent email to Hans with request to review this ticket.
      • 4/25 - Marti sent email to Hans 
      • 5/2 - Follow-up from Hans: email dated 2023-04-25  Confirming that the order represents a verbal order does not seem to be appropriate to be covered under a status.  This is not a state progression, rather a source of the documentation perspective.  So I’d pursue 34207 rather than 34491 for verbalOrderConfirmation.  Perhaps the name could be adjusted to something as a source, e.g., just .source and capture the transcriber as well since the requester is in .requester already.  .basedOn is already used to reference a resource and this would not reference a resource, rather document that it was transcribed.  The status of it may be anything ranging from just started to already completed, another reason not to use status.
        • Added to Wednesday Q2 for discussion with PC.  No need to link this with FHIR-34207.

Next Meeting: May 16, 2023 (after the WGM)

-------------Adjourned at 2:30 PM EDT----------------


The following are tickets that have action items (waiting for input, assigned to WGM or email outreach) that need to be completed prior to discussing again.

  • FHIR-26674 - ServiceRequest.asNeeded[x] and ServiceRequest.reason
    • FHIR-40765 - Align Request resources' asNeeded and reason (related ticket)
    • Follow-up from Pharmacy Co-chairs - need to update once we receive a response
    • Waiting on feedback from pharma
    • Will chat about this on Friday's catalog call May 5, 2023
  • FHIR-39448  
    • This ticket was reopened after R5 publication
    • We reviewed the previous proposed changes and confirmed that the changes still need to be made
    • Robert Hausam will add to the list of proposed changes if any additional changes are required; and we will discuss next time.
  • FHIR-38985
    • Added to the FHIR-I session at WGM on Thursday Q2
  • FHIR-38833
    • This ticket was reopened after R5 publication
    • Added to the FHIR-I session at WGM on Thursday Q2
    • See if we can get FHIR-I to add another time slot for Rob to participate