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OO Main - Meeting Information

Meeting Details

Date:

Time: 1 - 2PM ET

Coordinates:


Meeting Status

Chair:  Hans Buitendijk

Scribe: Hans Buitendijk / Riki Merrick

  • Quorum (Co-Chair + 4) Met 

OO Events 

Attendance

OO Calls Next 7 Days (check if happening)


DayMeeting
Friday
  • Clinical Order Workflow in FHIR
  • Catalog
  • LAB
Monday
  • FHIR Orders Exchange (DME/Acute/Admin)
  • v2-to-FHIR
  • Specimen
  • HCP
Tuesday
  • OO on FHIR
Wednesday
  • Cancer Pathology Reporting
  • IHE SDC/eCC on FHIR 
Thursday
  • v2-to-FHIR
  • Main Call
TBD
  • Nutrition  -TBD

Upcoming Topics/Due Dates

Date

Topics

March 6, 2023 WG Call
April 10, 2023

September 2023 Ballot - TSC PSS Deadline

May 6, 2023 to May 7, 2023 -HL7 FHIR Connectathon
May 8, 2023 to May 12, 2023 May Working Group Meeting+ and HL7 FHIR Connectathon
May 28, 2023January 2024 Ballot - PMO Deadline

Attendees

Name 

Affiliation

Ralf HerzogRoche
Rob HausamHausam Consulting
Hans BuitendijkOracle
Riki MerrickVernetzt, LLC / APHL
Yanick GaudetGlobal Star
Sarah GauntLantana
Andrea PitkusUW
Marti VelezisSonrisa / FDA
Jackie Hemenway
Dan RutzEpic
Jose Costa Teixeira
Olga Volk
Bob DieterleEnable Care
Kathy WalshLabcorp
Lorraine ConstableConstable Consulting
Elliot SilverResMed

Agenda and Notes:


Administrivia

Approve Minutes

OO Project Proposal Triage

    • PSS-2171 - – Adverse Event Clinical Research Implementation Guide

    • PSS-2170 --School Based Physical Fitness Testing Domain Analysis Model

Other (Project Approvals, NIBs, Expiring standards, etc.)

May 2023 WGM - OO, Joints and WGM+ Coordination - not discussed

  • 5/1 (or week before) - Final date to withdraw rooms if not needed.
  • OO WGM 202305 - Agenda
    • Updates to the agenda were posted (link above)
    • Need to follow-up with BR&R with a list of topics (Marti Velezis) and date/time  
  • WGM+ Schedule
    • Monday Q1 - SHALL not schedule WGM 
    • Tuesday Q1 - SHOULD not schedule WGM (ONC/USCDI, Argonaut, Gravity)
    • Rob Hausam (not available TH  Q1/Q2)

Gender Harmony Block Vote - NOT DISCUSSSED

was sent to list Feb27 (I missed it last week)

KeySummaryReporter

Resolution

Jira type
V2-25473OMG^O19: GSP, GSR, GSC after PRT Segment in Patient Group, in other messages after PD1Ralf HerzogPersuasive

Change request

V2-25471Sex for Clincial Use in NEXT_OF_KIN group of OML^)39Ralf HerzogPersuasiveChange request
V2-25419Balloters Question #2 Chapters 4 and 7Freida HallNot PersuasiveChange request

E-signature Update:  - NOT DISCUSSED

  • The e-signature draft was submitted to the PAC.  I did get a request from Christopher at Quest to quote a paragraph and am following up with PAC on when we are locked in enough to do so.

Vocabulary

UP-44 -no value set content defined for v2 table 963 value set  - NOT DISCUSSED

  • We had discussed and taken a vote on this back on 2022-06-10, but I'm not sure at this point if that is still what we actually still will want to do.  If we discuss it again together hopefully we can decide if that is what we want or we can figure out a good alternative plan.

Add 'GTIN' to HL70301 and HL70203  - NOT DISCUSSED

Add "GTIN" to UniveralIDType (http://terminology.hl7.org/CodeSystem/v2-0301) to be able to specify that a Universal ID is of "GTIN" Universal ID Type.

This would help to apply to HD Data, EI Data, EIP Data, etc. the Universal ID Type "GTIN", examples are:

HD based Data (HD-2 (Universal ID) is of "GTIN" Universal ID Type:

  • MSH-3 (Sending Application), 
  • MSH-5 (Receiving Application), 


EI based Data (EI-3 (Universal ID) is of "GTIN" Universal ID Type:

  • SAC-3 (Container Identifier), 
  • SAC-4 (Primary (Parent) Container Identifier)
  • PRT-10 (Device ID)
  • PRT-16 (UDI Device Identifier)


EIP based Data (EIP-1-3 and EIP-2-3 (Universal ID) is of "GTIN" Universal ID Type:

  • SPM-2 (Specimen ID), 
  • SPM-3 (Specimen Parent IDs), etc.
    • Both of these are related to the work GS1 is currently discussing to maybe create a "serialized" GTIN for all containers which would be a worldwide unique code (woudl be default barcode on tubes, slides, tags etc) 

CX datatype uses HL70203 for example in PID-3 (not applicable), but maybe in OBX-5.

V2-Jira Review (time permitting)  - NOT DISCUSSED

ProjectTopicsProject Information
V2+ 
  • Topics:
    • Need to add current topics
  • Project Page Link: 
  • Meetings
    • Every other Friday, 9-10am ET starting 10/1
V2-FHIR 
  • Topics:

    • Need to add current topicsb

  • Project Page Link: 
  • Meetings:

    • Mondays 1 - 2 PM ET
    • Thursdays 11 - 12 AM EDT

R5 Wrap-Up

  • Motion to provide a pink box note for any structural changes that are not making it into R5 anymore (e.g., may be deleted, moved, or otherwise)  and are expected to be applied immediately following R5 publication into the build.  Marti Velezis, Lorraine Constable
    • Note that anything in JIRA marked as Resolved - Change Required will be updated to Deferred or Deferred-Fix as appropriate, and then re-opened as soon as we can start to apply changes to the R6 CI build.
    • Against: 0; Abstain: 0; In Favor: 17
  • Resolving references, release notes, text updates, and our resources referenced on other Module pages still in flight.
  • Prep an R6 planning session in May WGM.
  • FMM 0 resources are published in R5.
  • Observation
    • FHIR-39448 - Vital Signs Panel 
      • Need to check status with Robert Hausam if it has been updated for R5 QA period
      • This is not a pink box item
      • Motion to mark considered for future use and will re-open post R5 publication as soon as the build is open for updates – the list in the disposition is NOT covering everything yet add grouping R6 and OO
        • Marti Velezis, Riki Merrick, no further discussion, against: 0, abstain: 0, in favor: 17
  • Repurpose catalog call slot tomorrow for R5 editor sync

VisionPrescription

  • Everything complete to change ownership
  • Jose updates the ownership.
  • FMG indicated that the rules for FMM 2 to 3 are what they are. 
  • Lloyd says there is an organization that will have substantive change requests, so soon we can make FMM higher after that
  • No discussion around retiring the resource in FMG

Modules (Updates on any progress)

The following are draft pages to organize and author content for each of our health care product resources: 

  • BiologicallyDerivedProduct
  • Devices
  • Nutrition Product
  • Marti revised related resource for each topic area to where the resources align to current modules
  • Definitional resources were in workflow (pattern is still there) but those are now in administrative – Marti and Jose to take off-line

CALL ADJOURNED 2:02 PM EDT

  • JIRA Backlog Cleanup - NOT DISCUSSED
    • Plan of attack to cleanup stale JIRAs.
    • Need to triage the older tickets to see if they are still relevant/valid (any volunteers???)
      • We may just want to create block votes for any tickets that are no longer relevant/valid
    • We have been getting 6-12 tickets per meeting if we have prepared the tickets in advance
    • We will continue to work through the backlog

Projects/Feedback (Updates in BOLD)

- NOT DISCUSSED

ProjectTopicsProject Information
FHIR Orders Exchange (DME/AcuteOrders) (Administrative)
  • Topics:
    • Referrals/PriorAuths/Orders/Claims
    • Focus on exchanges between Ordering Provider and Performing Provider
    • Overlaps with FHIR in the Lab/Workflow - establishing boundaries for each project
  • Project Page Link: 
  • Meetings:
    • Every Monday 12 - 1 PM ET
Specimen
  • Topics:

    • Need to add current topics

  • Project Page Link: 
  • Meetings:

    • Every Monday 2 - 3 PM ET
HCP
  • Topics
    • Device Associations
    • Intake/Administration/Procedure Consistencies
    • Device Structure
    • otherwise Jira tickets for Device(Definition), BDP, Nutrition
OO on FHIR
  • Topics
    • Treatment Orders discussion - see OO-on-FHIR Meeting minutes from 11/15
      • To standardize Portable Medical Orders/Advance Directives, etc.
      • Patient Care will evaluate ServiceRequest, Consent, CarePlan and follow-up with OO 
    • Looking at PC involvement so we can track down related people on observations – boundary between observation.subject and observation.relatedPerson - familyMemberHistory profile review, FM has similar conversations around subject and beneficiary
    • also should review at Gravity work around sexual orientation
    • VisionPrescription resource ownership - need to update ownership
    • Jira tickets work
Cancer Pathology Reporting
  • Topics
    • IG has been reviewed and approved by FMG with the caveat that it not be published until the MedMorph Reference Architecture IG is published (checking on ETA)
IHE SDC/eCC on FHIR
  • Topics
    • Pending IG updates and Publication Request

  • Project page: 
  • Meetings
    • Every Wednesday 2 -4 PM ET
    • Note that the call is listed on call calendar only as 1 hour call, since conference center won't let calls overlap
Nutrition
  • Topics

    • Pending resources
    • Working on R5 ballot comments

  • Project page link: 
  • Meetings

    • Every other Wednesday 2-3 ET - ON HOLD
(FHIR in the Lab) Order Workflow project

Topics: 

  • Workflow 
Order Service Catalog
  • Topics
    • Supply chain and Inventory
    • WHO - Product/Trade Item
LAB (LIVD/LRI/LOI/eDOS)
  • Topics
    • LIVD IG - Ballot Reconciliation 
    • LRI/LOI
    • Lab related topics

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