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Meeting Details
Date: January 9, 2023
Time: 3PM ET
Coordinates: Join Zoom meeting: https://zoom.us/j/5100467805 | Meeting ID: 510 046 7805 | +1 929-436-2866-US (New York)
Attendees:
AGENDA
- Status on JIRA Tickets
- BDP Resource Proposal and JIRA tickets
- Nutrition Examples
- Device-related tickets
- AOB
- Next Meeting
LINKS TO JIRA - HCP DASHBOARDS
HCP_Backlog - FOR REVIEW (includes Nutrition resources)
HCP_Ballot Related - JIRA that need to be completed by R5 (many of these are related to Normative content)
HCP_Work In Progress - Items that need to be updated in the build and/or QA for completion
Links to Confluence Discussion Topics for R5 Ballot JIRAs
Upcoming Topics/Due Dates
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January 15 - 21, 2023 | January 2023 Working Group Meeting |
January 23, 2023 WG Call |
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January 30, 2023 WG Call |
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February 6, 2023 WG Call | |
February 13, 2023 WG Call | |
February 20, 2023 WG Call | |
February 24, 2023 | Tentative Date for Finalizing Ballot Reconciliation |
Unscheduled Discussions |
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MEETING MINUTES
- BDP
- Any updates on the BiologicallyDerivedProductDispense Resource Proposal
- Review status - in FMG eVote at the moment
- Question/Comment from Lloyd – would like there to be an assessment of whether this could be combined with the existing MedicationDispense or DeviceDispense
- Previous discussion and decision was to keep them separate based on the scope of Biologically derived products that all don't fit into the existing MedicationDispense and/or DeviceDispense resources. Dispense is slightly different in each of the product resources.
- Resource proposal annotated with a clarification (see below)
Notes for discussion only (to be removed as part of final approval):
- We have BDP and Medication, yet for (xyz)Dispense we would combine. That does not make senses.
- Medication would have to be expanded beyond medication (considering that not all BDPs are not medications). While blood transfusion could, mothers milk would not, and other BDP-s would also not be medications. The characteristics of autologous or not (originRelationshipType) are unique to BDP, not Medication or Device.
- Devices are not medications, although some may facilitate back-and-forth based on jurisdiction.
- This has been discussed to date between OO and Rx and to date not resulted in any combination.
- Any updates on the BiologicallyDerivedProductDispense Resource Proposal
- Nutrition-Review and Vote on dispositions:
- FHIR-32293 - Resource NutritionProduct should provide better examples
- A resource should be allocated mid-January 2023 that can help with examples
- Updates?
- James shared the following: https://interoperabilityandstandards-nutritionproduct-client-93q8wj.streamlit.app/
- Need a value set for "NutritionProduct.category" - e.g., USDA
- Ingredients
- the sample for Skippy Peanut Butter has a string of ingredients instead of an array of individual ingredients
- If the intent is just to access the list of ingredients, each ingredient may not need to be enumerated, but if you need to provide an amount – the array could be used to share a recipe.
- Should there be an Ingredient Summary element? To allow the string of ingredients and not individual OR separate
- the sample for "Centrum Adults"
- Vitamins - Medications versus NutritionProduct?
- Supplement?
- James will update the samples to enumerate the Skippy PB with individual ingredients
- James will create a JIRA ticket for additional element for the summary of ingredients as text (i.e., it is not a codeable concept).
- Marti to connect with James to set up account/create first JIRA
- Add to agenda for the next Teleconference 1/23/2023
- FHIR-37965 - Group identifier for NutritionOrder
- Add groupIdentifier as requested to follow the request pattern
- Motion to find Persuasive:
- Add groupIdentifier as requested to follow the request pattern and make it searchable (i.e., add search parameter).
- Marti Velezis / Jose Costa Teixeira: 9-0-0
- Assigned to Jose Costa-Teixeira
- FHIR-37975 - How to capture nutrition intake in R4?
- Use the Basic resource and extensions
- Posted to Zulip for guidance from FHIR-I if this should be the correct approach.
- Note – this was also discussed at the WGM with same recommendation.
Motion to find Not persuasive with modification:
We suggest that the implementation team creates a profile on Basic in R4 to mimic NutritionIntake as much as possible and then when R5 comes around to adopt to switch to R5 NutritionIntake. See discussion: https://confluence.hl7.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=139660361#id-2022091923WGM-Wednesday-Q1:MeetingNotes
- Marti Velezis / Jose Costa Teixeira: 7-0-2
- Assigned to Olivia Bellamou-Huet
- FHIR-32293 - Resource NutritionProduct should provide better examples
- ServiceRequest - groupIdentifier
- Look for other OO resources with group identifier pattern
- Marti to submit JIRAs as necessary for discussion next time
- Meeting adjourned at 4:02PM EST
Next meeting: January 23, 2023 (after January 2023 WGM)
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- Discuss at Next Meeting:
- Nutrition
- FHIR-32294 - Does NutritionIntake resource exist?
- The resource exists – need to check why this is still open
- At the time of ballot the resource may not have been included in JIRA Spec. It was added (by John D.L. Nolen).
- Suggest it be closed now that it an be located in JIRA and is in the CI Build.
- FHIR-32294 - Does NutritionIntake resource exist?
- Nutrition
- Discuss at WGM
- Device-related tickets
- Device
- Device - Device Definition Parent/HasPart
- Move this forward with Device.parent and DeviceDefinition.hasPart
- FHIR-38870 - All request resources should support the fields from the request pattern
- FHIR-39173 - Consider new datatype for instantiatesCanonical/instantiatesUri
- Device Usage (http://build.fhir.org/deviceusage.html)
- FHIR-39046 - Critical use cases for Device(Dispense)
- DEV Follow-up Topics
- Device - Device Definition Parent/HasPart
- Move this forward with Device.parent and Device.hasPart
- FHIR-39046 - Critical use cases for Device(Dispense)
- Need to pull some of the uses cases into the DEV on FHIR group for discussion (e.g., Representation of a web based application as a source of information (i.e. is the browser instance or the server the source, I expect the server).; Devices representing CDS algorithms; Imaging equipment.
- Device.specialization
- See: Device/Definition Specialization - DEV did not meet last week to discuss final recommendation
- Device Settings
- FHIR-39322 - Device.property definition overlaps with DeviceMetric and Observation
- FHIR-39501 - Clarify whether others can create Device setting observations
- FHIR-39244 - Add example of and/or guidance on how to associate device settings with clinical observations. See ticket FHIR-38917
- FHIR-38917 - Add example of and/or guidance on how to associate device settings with clinical observations
- Device - Device Definition Parent/HasPart
- Device - Device Definition Parent/HasPart
- Device
- Device-related tickets
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INVENTORY BACKLOG
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