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Meeting Details

Date: January 9, 2023

Time: 3PM ET

Coordinates:  Join Zoom meeting: https://zoom.us/j/5100467805 | Meeting ID: 510 046 7805 | +1 929-436-2866-US (New York)

Attendees: 


AGENDA

  • Status on JIRA Tickets
    • BDP Resource Proposal and JIRA tickets
    • Nutrition Examples
    • Device-related tickets
  • AOB
  • Next Meeting

LINKS TO JIRA - HCP DASHBOARDS

HCP_Backlog - FOR REVIEW (includes Nutrition resources)

HCP_Ballot Related - JIRA that need to be completed by R5 (many of these are related to Normative content)

HCP_Work In Progress - Items that need to be updated in the build and/or QA for completion

Links to Confluence Discussion Topics for R5 Ballot JIRAs

Upcoming Topics/Due Dates

Date

Topics

January 15 - 21, 2023January 2023 Working Group Meeting
January 23, 2023 WG Call
  • Post WGM Updates
  • BDPDispense update
  • Nutrition
    • Nutrition Samples - review
    • NutrionProduct JIRA
January 30, 2023 WG Call
  • Device Related JIRAs
February 6, 2023 WG Call
February 13, 2023 WG Call
February 20, 2023 WG Call
February 24, 2023Tentative Date for Finalizing Ballot Reconciliation 
Unscheduled Discussions

Action Items

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Action Item

  • Clarify SupplyDelivery for shipment vs reception (FHIR-39277Jose Costa-Teixeira to draft a proposal using a single resource to address "stage" and relationship across "stages".  
  • Nutrition samples - James Allain  
  • Update Nutrition Samples James Allain  

MEETING MINUTES

  • BDP
    • Any updates on the BiologicallyDerivedProductDispense Resource Proposal
      • Review status - in FMG eVote at the moment
      • Question/Comment from Lloyd – would like there to be an assessment of whether this could be combined with the existing MedicationDispense or DeviceDispense
        • Previous discussion and decision was to keep them separate based on the scope of Biologically derived products that all don't fit into the existing MedicationDispense and/or DeviceDispense resources.  Dispense is slightly different in each of the product resources.
        • Resource proposal annotated with a clarification (see below)
          •  Notes for discussion only (to be removed as part of final approval):

            • We have BDP and Medication, yet for (xyz)Dispense we would combine.  That does not make senses.
            • Medication would have to be expanded beyond medication (considering that not all BDPs are not medications).  While blood transfusion could, mothers milk would not, and other BDP-s would also not be medications.  The characteristics of autologous or not (originRelationshipType) are unique to BDP, not Medication or Device.  
            • Devices are not medications, although some may facilitate back-and-forth based on jurisdiction.
            • This has been discussed to date between OO and Rx and to date not resulted in any combination.
  • Nutrition-Review and Vote on dispositions: 
    • FHIR-32293 - Resource NutritionProduct should provide better examples
      • A resource should be allocated mid-January 2023 that can help with examples
      • Updates? 
      • Need a value set for "NutritionProduct.category" - e.g., USDA
      • Ingredients
        • the sample for Skippy Peanut Butter has a string of ingredients instead of an array of individual ingredients
        • If the intent is just to access the list of ingredients, each ingredient may not need to be enumerated, but if you need to provide an amount – the array could be used to share a recipe.
        • Should there be an Ingredient Summary element? To allow the string of ingredients and not individual  OR separate 
        • the sample for "Centrum Adults" 
          • Vitamins - Medications versus NutritionProduct?
          • Supplement? 
      • James will update the samples to enumerate the Skippy PB with individual ingredients
      • James will create a JIRA ticket for additional element for the summary of ingredients as text (i.e., it is not a codeable concept). 
        • Marti to connect with James to set up account/create first JIRA
      • Add to agenda for the next Teleconference 1/23/2023
    • FHIR-37965 - Group identifier for NutritionOrder
      • Add groupIdentifier as requested to follow the request pattern
      • Motion to find Persuasive:
        • Add groupIdentifier as requested to follow the request pattern and make it searchable (i.e., add search parameter).
        • Marti Velezis / Jose Costa Teixeira: 9-0-0
        • Assigned to Jose Costa-Teixeira 
    • FHIR-37975 - How to capture nutrition intake in R4?
  • ServiceRequest - groupIdentifier
    • Look for other OO resources with group identifier pattern 
    • Marti to submit JIRAs as necessary for discussion next time


  • Meeting adjourned at 4:02PM EST


Next meeting:  January 23, 2023 (after January 2023 WGM)


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  • Discuss at Next Meeting: 
    •  Nutrition
      • FHIR-32294 - Does NutritionIntake resource exist?
        • The resource exists – need to check why this is still open
        • At the time of ballot the resource may not have been included in JIRA Spec.  It was added (by John D.L. Nolen).
        • Suggest it be closed now that it an be located in JIRA and is in the CI Build.
  • Discuss at WGM
    • Device-related tickets
      • Device
        • Device - Device Definition Parent/HasPart
          • Move this forward with Device.parent and DeviceDefinition.hasPart
        • FHIR-38870  - All request resources should support the fields from the request pattern
        • FHIR-39173  - Consider new datatype for instantiatesCanonical/instantiatesUri
        • Device Usage (http://build.fhir.org/deviceusage.html)
          • FHIR-39046  - Critical use cases for Device(Dispense)
        • DEV Follow-up Topics
          • Device - Device Definition Parent/HasPart
            • Move this forward with Device.parent and Device.hasPart
          • FHIR-39046  - Critical use cases for Device(Dispense)
            • Need to pull some of the uses cases into the DEV on FHIR group for discussion (e.g., Representation of a web based application as a source of information (i.e. is the browser instance or the server the source, I expect the server).; Devices representing CDS algorithms; Imaging equipment.
          •  Device.specialization
          • Device Settings   
            • FHIR-39322 - Device.property definition overlaps with DeviceMetric and Observation
            • FHIR-39501 - Clarify whether others can create Device setting observations
            • FHIR-39244 - Add example of and/or guidance on how to associate device settings with clinical observations. See ticket FHIR-38917
            • FHIR-38917 - Add example of and/or guidance on how to associate device settings with clinical observations

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INVENTORY BACKLOG

SOURCE 

ISSSUE/TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION

NOTES

BiologicallyDerivedProduct
  • FHIR-37953 - BiologicallyDerivedProduct.collection.source should allow RelatedPerson SUBMITTED post WGM
  • Working in the direction of non-persuasive, while following up on more clarity from Grahame and a draft updated description for .source to clarify why RelatedPerson would not fit.
  • Check JIRA comments
  • Propose updating collection.source Description & Constraint from
    The patient or entity providing the product

    to:
    The patient who underwent the medical procedure to collect the product or the organization that facilitated the collection

  • Need Jose Costa-Teixeira and Carl Leitner on the call.
  • Is there a benefit to have definition for BDP, in blood bank with ordering is one (and maybe only example).
NutritionProduct
  • FHIR-33396 - How to store the nutrients of a BiologicallyDerivedProduct?
  • Added after 9/12/22 call (missing in previous listing)
  • FHIR-32293 - Resource NutritionProduct should provide better examples
  • Added after 9/12/22 call (missing in previous listing)
  • FHIR-32756 - request-insurance extension needs more context given in the description
  • Waiting for Jose Costa-Teixeira  to respond to comments; this should be included in a future call (August 8 or 15)
  • FHIR-19516 - Substantive workflow changes for OO resources
  • Needs to be assigned (Status = Resolved Change Required)
NutritionOrder
  • Added after 9/12/22 call (missing in previous listing)
NutritionIntake
  • FHIR-32294 - Does NutritionIntake resource exist?
  • Added after 9/12/22 call (missing in previous listing)
  • Note - this is in the listing under resources, but when doing a search in JIRA, it does not show up.  It must be missing somewhere.

Device

  • Pending additional review

  • Specialization
    • Need to discuss with DEV group on Wednesday and schedule a time to discuss in HCP
    • FHIR-38057 - DeviceDefinition and Device should use same "specialization" modelMeeting adjourned early - due to lack of participates for the topics on hand.
    • FHIR-38058  - Device specialization assumes a particular model of standards compliance
    • FHIR-39084 - Change .specialization to .conformsTo
      • FHIR-39242 - Change .specialization to .conformsTo. See ticket FHIR-39084FHIR-39053 - Ambiguity when to use .specialization and when .property element
    • FHIR-38902 - Consistency between Device and DeviceDefintion resources

Device Dispense
  • FHIR-39046  - Critical use cases for Device(Dispense)
    • Need a flow of the devices across these use cases to get a better handle on how to address this request
    • Also need to pull some of the uses cases into the DEV on FHIR group for discussion (e.g., Representation of a web based application as a source of information (i.e. is the browser instance or the server the source, I expect the server).; Devices representing CDS algorithms; Imaging equipment.
  • FHIR-39049 - DeviceDispense should allow dispensing devices to Practitioners and RelatedPerson

DeviceDefinition
  • FHIR-32271 - DeviceDefinition.parentDevice and DeviceDefinition.hasPart allow same concept to be modeled in two ways 
  • FHIR-31750 - Complement Valueset-identifier-type for Device identifiers 

  • Approved; Updating UP-232
  • Need to complete work on Device Definition to make it consistent with or address variations from Device resource
  • E.g., Parent, hasMember – need to address this across Device and DeviceDefinition
    • parentDevice (change to parent if kept in resource)
  • Mappings (TBD)
DeviceDispense
  • FHIR-39046  - Critical use cases for Device(Dispense)
    • Need a flow of the devices across these use cases to get a better handle on how to address this request
    • Also need to pull some of the uses cases into the DEV on FHIR group for discussion (e.g., Representation of a web based application as a source of information (i.e. is the browser instance or the server the source, I expect the server).; Devices representing CDS algorithms; Imaging equipment.
  • FHIR-39049 - DeviceDispense should allow dispensing devices to Practitioners and RelatedPerson

DeviceRequest

  • FHIR-26429  - Consider adding extension to allow fuzzy timing for DeviceRequest.occurrence

  • Note - Robert Hausam there is an outstanding question in comments for you - also see under Service Request.

  • Need update form OO on FHIR

  • FHIR-26953 Apply performerOrder (standard extension) to DeviceRequest or add in core.  Checking with Bob Dieterle on PAO impact of changing to CodeableReference.

  • FHIR-26948 - Create examples for prosthetics (e.g. glasses, lenses) in DeviceRequest; Comment added for Jose - Pending
  • See topic below (Device Request and VisionPrescription)
  • Device Request and VisionPrescription
  • FHIR-26429 -  Will be discussed at OO on FHIR on August 2 (note - Robert Hausam there is an outstanding question in comments for you)

DeviceUse
  • Will be kept open until UDI IG has addressed these and can confirm it covers it.
ServiceRequest
  • FHIR-15922 -  Include DeviceRequest for SupplyDelivery.basedOn
  • Added comment for Rick Geimer to weigh in on this issue.
  • FHIR-26429 -  Will be discussed at OO on FHIR on August 2 (note - Robert Hausam there is an outstanding question in comments for you)

  • Multi-Level Parameters 
  • On Hold
Product Pattern
  • FHIR-14766 - Discuss a pattern or parent resource for Products, to avoid implementation questions, and ensure that the use of resources does not create obstacles to traceability and safety. - 2018-Jan Core #105