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Da Vinci Implementer Support Page

Implementers can take advantage of tools: See the Reference links on the Payer Data Exchange (PDex) page to access links for Reference Implementations, sandboxes, test scripts, and more!

Da Vinci PDex for Patient Access API Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

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Implementer Support Questions (PDex, Formulary, Plan Net)

Call to All Implementers: We learn as a community and iterate on the IGs through real world experience, so your contributions are welcome! Please come with your questions. Options:

1) Send them to us on Zulip: 

2) Ask questions live on the call

3) Edit and add your question to this page (in this box under "Question")


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What is the right FHIR resource for maintaining Authorization & appeals as part of utilization management?  we are planning to leverage "Encounter" resource for this.  is this the right approach?

Authorizations and Appeals are not named in USCDI, but the procedures, services, vital signs, etc. are all named.  

Authorization = Prior Authorization (PA)

Appeals = Denied Authorization or a 

PDex is based on USCORE. If you look at all clinical data is basically related to encounter (provider view)

Prior. Auths, Appeals, business management - reaching out to the patient.  Underlying data 

How to include PA into PDex is an ongoing conversation right now. 

Bob: does NOT believe encounter is the basis.  Service or device is the base for PA, not encounter.  

Can you hold off?  We are in the process for evaluating options to include PA into PDex.   likely may possibly be to use the claim response and the profile on it. 

RM: Agrees, don't make it encounter, it's a claim thing.  

If you capture the data as part of UM, DM, CM, are you required to share it? All managed data, yes.


The authorization itself  is not required under the current rule, but will be under the pended Burden Reduction rule.

There is no context of the care plan.  The plan is not the actual event. 

Payers don't have all the clinical information, they only have what they have - the must support with a 1..1 cardinality "if you have it, share it, or null.... if it's a codable concept, you have to do a data absent reason.  You can do the extension on any elements.  If you have a required binding, you can't.  

Trying to solve a really complex problem, please pause and come to this call next week to talk about options (PA in PDex) 

Care Team;

Prior Auth, 

Summary: Agree don't make UM clinical data based on encounter.




Formulary Open Items  / Discussion 

1) HIOS Discussion cont.: Is there a need for a national unique ID?

Across all health plans.

Only the QHPs have HIOS ids. 

JT: Do we have any PBMs on the line?  Would it cause a problem for them with multiple payer clients and sub clients and variation base don plan design. 

Dave, Jason, Mike Gould, - check with the PBMs

If we need a payer ID, then we'd need a combination of data to create a unique 

Payer IDs - in Pharmacy space, Bin numbers are used to identify the entity that is doing the processing.  Sometimes they accept the id from others and sometimes they generate their own. 

US Card Standard - replace member number with Rx # and group numbers. 

Laurie, WPS - not using CMS number assigned that allows selling on the federal market exchange, not used to identify the payers.  they assign their own payer ID and let their trading partners know that. 

From Federal exchange, they all come under the same payer ID, then 

BB: HIOS plan ID - 14byte going to plan level. Breakdown the plan ID; if there isn't one today, this is how we'd model it. Who assigns and who manages that?

Clearinghouses assigning their own numbers to payers.

We are talking about Drug Plans, NCPDP Transactions, and this typically go to their Rx Bin number. 

  • Next Step: Verify with NCPDC that the Rx Bin number will work.  



2) FHIR-31572 Update from discussions. 

Agreement to: Postpone the change to add multiple identifiers to the next major release.  




Reviewed FAQ Proposed Responses 

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Consent Discussion Cont. (if updates from Architecture Group)












PDex IG Links and Updates







PDex Supplemental Guides


PDex IG Companion Guide - Laboratory Reporting Resources

Presented to FM on 10/20


Other discussion












Next Week

Start with: Exploring options to incorporate PA into  PDex - Bob - PDex updates for PA.docx 

Goal: trying to get something that is implementable and not too disruptive to PDex that will meet the need of the CMS Rule (final rule from January is currently pended) - Reference: Proposed Rule Fact Sheet 


FAQ Review Cont. and Implementer Support




 Adjournment

Adjourned at 12:57pm EST.






Outline Reference

Supporting Document

Minute Approval
PDex Companion GuidesPDex IG Companion Guide List
CARIN CPCDS to US Core Mapping

Latest draft CARIN CPCDS Mapping document: CARIN Mapping to FHIR interim 2020 0513.xlsx

DRAFT - PDEX US Core Mapping from CPCDS source: ResourceMappingUSCoreCPCDS-2020-05-29-v26.xlsx

PDex - US Core
inter-relationship

Source PowerPoint: PDEXandUSCoreRelationship.pptx

Da Vinci is seeking answers to open questions and clarifications needed on the implementation and operational needs of the upcoming CMS Patient Directed API Rules.

Find initial questions and corresponding answers shared from our colleagues at CMS here

  • Links to Published IGs

Action items

  • Action Item 3/5: Do we need a separate shopping access for those members that are enrolled with group plans already that still may have formulary options and want to shop.  May use the coverage record to tell you which one you are actually on.  Discussed today 3/12 David Hill Robert Dieterle

Attendees - 36

PresentNameAffiliation
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CMS
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BCBST
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Deepthi ReddyMettle Solutions
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Allscripts
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Eric SullivanInovalon
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MITRE
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India DuncanOptum
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Availity
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Susan LestinaAHA
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Bob BowmanCAQH
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Thomas KesslerCMS
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Patrick Edwards
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Briana BarnesScope Info Tech
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Kishore MetlaMettle Solutions
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John Donnelly

Intepro Solutions

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Lorraine DooCMS
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Melanie JonesCMS
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Rim Cothren
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Yolanda VillanovaCMS
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Manoj KumarBCBSFL
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MITRE
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Srinivas KonchadaCentene Corporation
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Sheryl TurneyAnthem
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Helina Gebremariam
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Mike NovalesBCBSIL
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Ric LightHumana
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Ann GallagherOptum
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Chris KlesgesMitre
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Adam GronskyHealth Fidelity
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CaseNet
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Anthem
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CMS
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eClinicalWorks
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Healow
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Interfaceware
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Mark RucciSpectramedix
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Anthem
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Cindy MonarchBCBSM
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Michael Kim
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Cognosante
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Jim CatanAccenture
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BCBSA
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Jia Chen
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Robert Dieterle
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Jeff Eastman
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Ernestine Cooper
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Jason TeepleCIGNA
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Lloyd McKenzie
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Mary Winter
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Rachel E. Foerster
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Tom GrannanAzuba
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Tony BensonBCBS AL
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Rakesh Mathew

Independence BC
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Henry ArchibongInovalon
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HL7 Consultant
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Abdul Sattar
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Anirudh Choudhary
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Todd BiskeESI
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Darrell Woelk
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Doug Stoss
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Rick LisseveldAegis
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LakshminarayananSaravanan
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Laurie BurckhardtWPS Health Plan
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Kevin LynchInovalon
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Joseph MinieriMITRE
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Durwin Day BCBS IL
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Daniel Lilavois


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Patricia R Harbin


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Pamela West
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Ravi Thakkar Aetna
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UO
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Shalabh Gautam

Aetna
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Swati NandaAetna CVS Health
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Cyrus
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Kevin
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Kamaraj Kaliaperumal, 

Carefirst

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MITRE
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Fred HarmonReady Computing
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Bhanu Vemuri 

Blue Cross NC
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Michael RyanNCQA
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Narasimha Murthy

Accenture

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Google Cloud Healthcare

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Maggie Mellon

HealthSparq
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Courtney Bland

CVS/Aetna
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Dorothy LeeNCQA
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Khoa Nguyen
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Suma AddagaddeBCBSNC
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Caitlyn CampiFL Blue
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Diane Bengtson
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Sean MahoneyMITRE
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Balaji
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Richard Lisseveld
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Shanna HartmanCMS
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Kevin DayEdifecs
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Nancy SpectorAMA
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Bruce WilkinsonBenmedica
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Avality
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Chris Johnson

BCBSAL
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MCG
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ONC
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Surescripts
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NCPDP
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Anupam ThakurBCBSFL
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Jonathan HutchinsBCBST
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Anthem
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Sunitha Godavarthi
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Christopher Graconx12
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Labcorp
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James DerricksonIntersystems
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Cognizant
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Neetha JosephCognizant
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Scott M. Robertson

Kaiser Permanente
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MITRE
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Rutika
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Express Scripts
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Brody BrodockAllscripts
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Michael BrodyCME Online
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Theressa BaumannBCBS AL
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Mona ChandrapaleClinicalWorks
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Optum
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Aakash DeliwalaeClinicalWorks
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Mayo
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Epic
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Shaheer
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Stanley Nachimson
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Anthony SmithUNC Health
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Howard Cohen
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Minaei BehnazFDA
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BCBSA
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Shilesh Nairgdit
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NewWave
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MaxMD
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BC Idaho
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Edward CastagnaAltarum
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Andrea KentCoverMyMeds
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Carrie Denny
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Kim Pham
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Celine LefebvreAMA
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Edifecs
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Josh LambUPMC
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Keya ShahCasenet
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Gevity
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MITRE
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Mrugen MehtaeClinicalWorks
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Revathi Jayakumuar
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Supriya
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Bapi Bhera
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Matt DyerVyne
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Sree Vijetha VegiC-HIT
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BCBSA
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Rich BlochLumedic
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Cigna
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Paul Knapp
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Ron UrwongseCAQH
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Anand Raghavan

Inovalon

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HealthLX
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David Clowers


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Ezequiel Morles
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Frank McKinney
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Hanna ?
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Brett Rauschke
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Carolyn McKinney
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Clarissa WinchesterBCBS AL
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JC
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HealthShare Exchange (HSX)
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River Wong
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Rob McClureMD Partners
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Ronald Wampler
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Derrick Woolridge
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Beata Ferraiz
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Ed DonaldsonConsultant with Humana
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Julie Burgoon
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Mark NeumuthAetna
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Raj SankuratriAetna
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Anthony Omosule

Accenture

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Dr. Cheryl D. LohmanGermantown, MD | Family Physician
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Barbara Valeno
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Eshaa Dhalleclinicalworks
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Angie Brandon
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Bryan Briegal
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ACP
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Beatrice Thompson
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Hema Srinivasa
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Kristin AshbyAetna
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Nag Sanivarapu
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Abhishek Pandey
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Shailesh Prabhu
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Travis HendrixDr. First
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Zakir Guler
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Jason VanderJagtedifecs
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Erika Wagner
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Shamil Nizamov
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Michael Robinson
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Christopher Marchand
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Chris Busch
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