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IG Publishing Updates

Implementer Resources

Da Vinci Implementer Support Page

Implementers can take advantage of tools: See the Reference links on the Payer Data Exchange (PDex) page to access links for Reference Implementations, sandboxes, test scripts, and more!

New! Da Vinci PDex for Patient Access API Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

For a copy of the Proposed Rule Fact Sheet, visit: https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/fact-sheets/reducing-provider-and-patient-burden-improving-prior-authorization-processes-and-promoting-patients

Action Items:

  • Explore adding to the IG in a future release or additional guidance for a way to share the confirmation of patient consent of sharing data to the old payer.  Mark Scrimshire







Meeting Topics for todayFormulary Updates 

Call for Volunteers from Implementer Community to deep dive on these trackers. 

Update: FormularyUpdates-20210222.pptx

Background: Formulary IG was written originally to support an open Access API and the shopping experience.  The Rule came out to focus Formulary behind Patient Access API and for a specific Patient.  

So, thinking about the scenarios for the Patient Access API per patient request example: 



Member Auth. - the payer that is putting all these data out through one end point (as part of the CMS Rule) - this is the base URL.  This is showing the complete picture, this isn't saying that the Formulary is dependent on Claims and Clinical data. We are assuming the formulary provided is the one that the patient is on.  (there should only be one.) 

If the patient is searching for a drug that is not part of their plan, they it would return a "not found" response here. 





The other example for shopping: 

Is there a requirement to show group plan as well as individual plans? Group plans are specific to group sponsor... Group plans should not be part of the shopping experience since a patient cannot subscribe to it yet? 

  • How do we constrain the plans that are returned? (i.e. filter out the group plans that are not available if they aren't part of the organization?)


Formulary is on Rx Norm.  



Update on Patient Consent discussion from last week

Do you envision aligning with the DS for P approach? 

Acknowledgement of consent of edge to edge. 

Jason from EverNorth - "Consent" may not be the right word - this is more of an authorization process?

Exchange the way it happened between the two parties is a consent resource. 

Path for authorization could start at the old or new payer. 

Server-to-server communications this is covered entity to covered entity 

Discussion on what the right pattern to use is.

Recommendation to discuss further on the Architecture call next week with implementers. Michael Gould will add to that agenda. (Da Vinci internal meeting) will elaborate on the conversation there. 





Implementer Support Questions (PDex, Formulary, Plan Net)

Call to All Implementers: We learn as a community and iterate on the IGs through real world experience, so your contributions are welcome! Please come with your questions. Options:

1) Send them to us on Zulip: 

2) Ask questions live on the call

3) Edit and add your question to this page (in this box under "Question")


Questions to be reviewed and responded to, 

  1. My understanding is that CMS regulated Payers need to implement just the Payer to Payer exchange at the member request and Payer to third party application exchange at the member request interactions by the beginning of Jan 1st 2022 to meet the CMS Payer to Payer exchange mandate. Is my understanding correct? And Payer to Provider interaction is out of scope for Jan 1st 2022 CMS Mandate. Please confirm.
  2. Please let me know, who should implement the CDS Hook services in case of Payer to Provider interaction? Would that be implemented at Provider end or at Payer end.
  3. It is mentioned in the IG that whenever a member moves from old health plan to a new health plan, the new health plan shall invoke a $member-match operation on the old health plan fhir server. Is the $member-match an open API operation on health plan Fhir server? In other words, can new health plan call $member-match operation on the old health plan without any authentication and authorization? Please confirm.
    1. If it is indeed open, would that not cause major security issues as anybody can get the coverage information from Health Plans by issuing $member-match on the fhirserver.
  4. How does providers and payers know the FHIR servers end points for data exchange?
  5. How is Payer to third party application exchange different from CMS Patient Access Final rule, where it says 3rd Party apps should be able to view the health data maintained in Fhir servers. Please elaborate on Payer to third party application exchange interaction.
  6. Is the data exchange between Payer, providers and third party application for just one patient health data or it could also be a population of patients data?
  7. I understand that $everything shall be supported by the FHir server for exchange. Does Fhir Server’s Bulk Import and Bulk Export APIs also a requirement for implementation of this specification?
  8. The Pdex IG is in currently in STU(Standard for Trial use) stage. What is the timeline for Pdex IG to become mature to be used for production implementations?

From Chat:  Hello Everyone! For Payer to Payer Exchange and for Inbound Data Payer is obligated to accept from Payer B. We anticipate the data from Payer B that will be in non-FHIR format, like Excel File, PDF etc, How can we connect with Other External Payers (Payer-B) have a basic idea for type of non-FHIR data they plan to send to Payer A.

Are we obligated to accept non-fhir content?  See CMS Final Rule Questions and Answers log the first few responses 1002-1004 may be helpful. 












PDex IG Links and Updates







PDex Supplemental Guides


PDex IG Companion Guide - Laboratory Reporting Resources

Presented to FM on 10/20


Other discussion

Discussion on Rules:

Stanley shared a helpful WEDI webinar on the proposed CMS Rules that folks may be interested in.  

NPRM that cites membermatch: https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/fact-sheets/reducing-provider-and-patient-burden-improving-prior-authorization-processes-and-promoting-patients

Note recent announcement impacting changes to HIPAA regulations that we support an old plan sharing information with new plan at patients request.   











Next Week

FAQ Review Cont. and Implementer Support


 Adjournment

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Outline Reference

Supporting Document

Minute Approval
PDex Companion GuidesPDex IG Companion Guide List
CARIN CPCDS to US Core Mapping

Latest draft CARIN CPCDS Mapping document: CARIN Mapping to FHIR interim 2020 0513.xlsx

DRAFT - PDEX US Core Mapping from CPCDS source: ResourceMappingUSCoreCPCDS-2020-05-29-v26.xlsx

PDex - US Core
inter-relationship

Source PowerPoint: PDEXandUSCoreRelationship.pptx

Da Vinci is seeking answers to open questions and clarifications needed on the implementation and operational needs of the upcoming CMS Patient Directed API Rules.

Find initial questions and corresponding answers shared from our colleagues at CMS here


Action items

  •  PDex Pharmacy list - pharmacy count and mix:  how can the pharmacy count and mix (as required by CMS) be included in the response PDex resources?  Scott M. Robertson posted question 2020-11-20 PDex Meeting - 2/19/2021 Status: Questions submitted, awaiting response for CMS.  
  • Mark ScrimshireProvide an update Zulip chat link for PDex.  

Attendees - 39

PresentNameAffiliation
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CMS
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BCBST
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Deepthi ReddyMettle Solutions
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Allscripts
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Eric SullivanInovalon
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MITRE
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India DuncanOptum
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Availity
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Susan LestinaAHA
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Bob BowmanCAQH
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Thomas KesslerCMS
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Patrick Edwards
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Briana BarnesScope Info Tech
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Kishore MetlaMettle Solutions
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John DonnellyInterpro
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Lorraine DooCMS
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Melanie JonesCMS
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Rim Cothren
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Yolanda VillanovaCMS
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Manoj KumarBCBSFL
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MITRE
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Srinivas KonchadaCentene Corporation
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Sheryl TurneyAnthem
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Helina Gebremariam
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Mike NovalesBCBSIL
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Ric LightHumana
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Ann GallagherOptum
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Chris KlesgesMitre
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Adam GronskyHealth Fidelity
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CaseNet
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Anthem
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CMS
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eClinicalWorks
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Healow
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Interfaceware
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Mark RucciSpectramedix
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Anthem
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Cindy MonarchBCBSM
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Michael Kim
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Cognosante
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Jim CatanAccenture
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BCBSA
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Jia Chen
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Robert Dieterle
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Jeff Eastman
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Ernestine Cooper
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Jason TeepleCIGNA
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Lloyd McKenzie
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Mary Winter
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Rachel E. Foerster
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Tom GrannanAzuba
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Tony BensonBCBS AL
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Rakesh Mathew

Independence BC
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Henry ArchibongInovalon
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HL7 Consultant
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Abdul Sattar
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Anirudh Choudhary
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Todd BiskeESI
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Darrell Woelk
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Doug Stoss
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Rick LisseveldAegis
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LakshminarayananSaravanan
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Laurie BurckhardtWPS Health Plan
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Kevin LynchInovalon
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Joseph MinieriMITRE
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Durwin Day BCBS IL
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Daniel Lilavois


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Patricia R Harbin


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Pamela West
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Ravi Thakkar Aetna
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UO
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Shalabh Gautam

Aetna
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Swati NandaAetna CVS Health
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Cyrus
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Kevin
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Kamaraj Kaliaperumal, 

Carefirst

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MITRE
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Fred HarmonReady Computing
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Bhanu Vemuri 

Blue Cross NC
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Michael RyanNCQA
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Narasimha Murthy

Accenture

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Google Cloud Healthcare

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Maggie Mellon

HealthSparq
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Courtney Bland

CVS/Aetna
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Dorothy LeeNCQA
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Khoa Nguyen
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Suma AddagaddeBCBSNC
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ViraliAccenture
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Sean MahoneyMITRE
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Raj Sankurati
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Ngan MacDonald

HealthLX

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Narasimha Murthy Pasupuleti
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Lauren ^
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Diane Bengtson-TateTCS Consultancy Services
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Christopher Marchand
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Aashish Bhatt

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Nancy SpectorAMA
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Bruce WilkinsonBenmedica
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Avality
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Chris Johnson

BCBSAL
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MCG
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ONC
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Surescripts
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NCPDP
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Anupam ThakurBCBSFL
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Jonathan HutchinsBCBST
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Anthem
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Sunitha Godavarthi
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Independent Health
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Labcorp
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James DerricksonIntersystems
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Cognizant
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Neetha JosephCognizant
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Scott M. Robertson

Kaiser Permanente
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MITRE
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Rutika
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Express Scripts
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Brody BrodockAllscripts
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Michael BrodyCME Online
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Theressa BaumannBCBS AL
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Mona ChandrapaleClinicalWorks
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Optum
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Aakash DeliwalaeClinicalWorks
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Mayo
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Epic
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Shaheer
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Stanley Nachimson
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Anthony SmithUNC Health
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Howard Cohen
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Minaei BehnazFDA
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BCBSA
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Shilesh Nairgdit
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NewWave
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MaxMD
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BC Idaho
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Edward CastagnaAltarum
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Andrea KentCoverMyMeds
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Carrie Denny
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Kim Pham
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Celine LefebvreAMA
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Edifecs
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Josh LambUPMC
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Keya ShahCasenet
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Gevity
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MITRE
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Mrugen MehtaeClinicalWorks
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Revathi Jayakumuar
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Supriya
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Bapi Bhera
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Matt DyerVyne
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Sree Vijetha VegiC-HIT
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BCBSA
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Rich BlochLumedic
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Cigna
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Paul Knapp
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Ron UrwongseCAQH
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Anand Raghavan

Inovalon

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HealthLX
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David Clowers


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Ezequiel Morles
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Frank McKinney
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Hanna ?
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Brett Rauschke
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Carolyn McKinney
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Clarissa WinchesterBCBS AL
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JC
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HealthShare Exchange (HSX)
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River Wong
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Rob McClureMD Partners
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Ronald Wampler
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Derrick Woolridge
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Beata Ferraiz
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Ed DonaldsonConsultant with Humana
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Julie Burgoon
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Mark NeumuthAetna
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Raj SankuratriAetna
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Anthony Omsoule


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Dr. Cheryl D. LohmanGermantown, MD | Family Physician
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Barbara Valeno
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Eshaa Dhalleclinicalworks
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Angie Brandon
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Bryan BriegalIBM Watson Health
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ACP
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Breatrice Thompson
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Hema Srinivasa
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Kristin Ashby
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Nag Sanivarapu
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Abhishek Pandey
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Shailesh Prabhu
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Travis Hendrix
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Zakir Guler