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Meeting ID: 298 006 8716 Passcode: 2020

Date: Sep 11, 2023

Quarter: Q3

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CG OverviewKevin
  • CG Overview

Getting Started with Clinical Genomics


FMG request (FMG genetics profile in Core?)

The FMG is currently going through all of the profiles currently published as part of the FHIR core spec and trying to figure out what should happen to them.

- in many cases, the correct answer is for them to move into IGs where they can be more actively maintained and will hopefully be more discoverable

- in some cases, they should be dropped because no one's using them and they're not necessary

- in some cases they're candidates to proceed to normative and belong as part of the core spec

We're curious what the CG work group's thoughts are about the future of the https://build.fhir.org/familymemberhistory-genetic.html profile.

Where should we move our familymember profile & extensions to?

  • Genomics IG
  • Phenopacket IG? 
  • PC or O&O?

→ easiest would be to move them to the genomics IG for now, could be moved to a FHIR based Pedigree IG in the future

Action items

  • Patrick Werner create a JIRA Ticket to track the Profile & Extensions extraction for familyMember History from core



Date: Sep 11, 2023

Quarter: Q4

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FHIR-I



"ALMOST EVERYTHING WILL BE NORMATIVE IN R6"

Implementers are not accepting of breaking changes.

Survey coming out soon to determine when R6 ballots could come out. In the meantime, will have interim ballots. Too much to review for a single ballot.


Earliest is Jan 2025.

Not the 'final' release, just follow all rules for non-breaking changes.


FMG Questions:

  • Question 1: are there any resources you're responsible for you think *shouldn't* be normative in R6, and if so, why?
    All our core resources aren't ready for beeing normative: FHIR-I will reach out to us to discuss this topic in detail.
  • Question 2 : Which resources or pages do you plan to ballot in the Jan 2024 cycle?
    • none
    • can ballot core Resources in May & Sept
  • Question 3: Any questions around extensions?
    • -
  • Question 4: Any questions/issues around Jira management or expectations?
    • -
  • Question 5: What new IGs and/or new IG ballots are you expecting in the next year?
    • STU3
    • Phenopackets, which we only will participate in
  • Question 6: Thoughts on IG alignment across IGs and what, if anything, we can/should do to foster that?
  • Family Member History:
    • should be removed from core, will contact PC about the new home




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Date: Sep 12, 2023

Quarter: Q1

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STU3 Planning

  • Ballot prep
  • JIRA review
Kevin

Key dates for the 2024 JAN ballot cycle we must hit if we are going to ballot

    1. Nov 12 - NIB deadline
    2. Dec 5 - Content freeze
    3. Dec 19 - Content QA complete
    4. Dec 22 - Ballot opens

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Getting issues... ← open IG issues, should discuss any final additions to STU3, then we can work on proposals in subsequent quarters

Discussion which issues are realistic to be included in STU3.

  • Somatic Guidance FHIR-32696 - Getting issue details... STATUS
    No progress until now, improved guidance would be nice. Patrick will ask a colleague if MOLIT can provide some time to add some content.
    Should stay on the STU3 timeline, Patrick will update the zulip thread on this topic 
  • FHIR-32714 - Getting issue details... STATUS  
    Could be expressed as a potential AdverseEvent?
    No: Scope of AE is not meant for predictive, potential AdverseEvents
    RiskAssessment is a potential fit, pointing to therapeutic implication via base element
    Use-Case needs a concrete example, guidance should be established with other WGs (O&O, CDS)
    Do we need profiles on RiskAssesment? Probably in the future, use-case needs guidance & examples to work with.


JIRA - ready to voteKevin

Getting issues... ← issues ready to vote on, should review and vote. 

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Date: Sep 12, 2023

Quarter: Q2

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TimeItemWhoNotes

PGX (Walter)

  • use case
  • reporting diplotypes (terminologies?)
  • reporting implications (coded meds?)
Kevin

use-cases: 

  • lab reports just the variants in the pharmacogenes of interest
  • mapping to star alleles is done by the receiving side
  • use-case needs some kind of phasing information
  • guidance from variant reporting applies
  • star allele diplotypes
  • we should create warnings for CodeableConcepts without codings






Action items


  • Walter Sujansky please provide slides/documents which were presented
  • Patrick Werner create invariant: warning if CC.text is populated and Coding is 0..0



Date: Sep 12, 2023

Quarter: Q3

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ImplementationGuide Testing

Patrick
  • how do we test? how do implementers know if problems are theirs or the IG or something else?
  • do we have any plans or interest in developing a set of test scripts?

With the universal IG, and the great flexibility of the IG, developing test scripts. Could be easier with 'sub-IGs' where the rules are more clearly defined.

Could use Touchstone or Inferno for building tests.


Connectathon?

Patrick

Jan 2024 (Virtual)

Agreement within the group to have Connectathon track in Jan 2024

GenomeX will be having a track, Bob F/Aly might have something for IM, Bob D might have something for Operations. Will be working on defining something in the near future.


Discuss FMH-genetics profile

Patrick

W/Shahim

CIC is the sponsor of "Phenomics Exchange" - sending a packet of phenotypic data. Describe higher level features from the clinical data mapped to HPO codes.

"Patient Anatomical Characteristics" work from O&O

Discussion about Pedigree:
remove FamiliyMemberHistory Profile & Extensions from FHIR core, find a new home:

Genomics IG // Phenomics IG // a new Pedigree IG and/or core resource

good practice: GedCom Tool: https://www.gedcom.org/ 


STU3/JIRAs

Patrick

FHIR-34144 - Getting issue details... STATUS * Not Persuasive, vote passed

FHIR-35864 - Getting issue details... STATUS * still important and a need for our R4 profile. For anyone skipping R5, we will lack this feature if we do not do the profile. Patrick will continue to work on this with someone else.

FHIR-37367 - Getting issue details... STATUS * work is in progress, hope to have some proposals in the next 2-3 weeks

FHIR-38718 - Getting issue details... STATUS

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Date: Sep 12, 2023

Quarter: Q4

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STU3/JIRAs

Patrick


FHIR-38718 - Getting issue details... STATUS *rejected (.issued is already in R4)

FHIR-41248 - Getting issue details... STATUS *Patrick clarified the request, follow-up later

FHIR-41249 - Getting issue details... STATUS *voted to approve

FHIR-41365 - Getting issue details... STATUS *flagged for follow-up with May

FHIR-41587 - Getting issue details... STATUS *flagged for follow-up with May





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Date: Sep 13, 2023

Quarter: Q1

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IM review (1)

Bob F

Presenting overview of the work in IM (working on R5+)

Presentation: HL7 CG WGM - IM-based FHIR overview 230913.pdf





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Date: Sep 13, 2023

Quarter: Q2

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IM review (2)

Bob F

Continue presentation and discussion from Q1





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Date: Sep 13, 2023

Quarter: Q3

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Joint with Orders and Observations

O&O

RiskAssessment & DiagnosticReport linkage

DR.conclusion could become a CodeableReference vs DR.result or new element/Extension on DR.

Discussion: Should RiskAssessment & Clinical Impression be allowed to be linked from DR.

"Patient Anatomical Characteristics" Profile & Phenopackage





Action items


  • Patrick Werner reflect the discussion in a tue call, come back to O&O afterwards, create an example RA resource
  • Patrick Werner add link to o&o minutes



Date: Sep 13, 2023

Quarter: Q4

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<Flex> - open time to extend conversations from earlier

Connectathon planning

Business topics - wrap ups, assign todos, review WGM minutes

Patrick

Connectathon Planning (not final, work in progress):

  • GenomicStudy, Observation & Definitional Resources
  • MolState?
  • Codex Track with Genomics (provide preconfigured Genomics Server)

Operation Testing (Bob D, might be better to do this in May, in Person)


FHIR-41610 - Getting issue details... STATUS

Motion passed (guidance will be added to both the Variant profile and to the Variant Reporting page)


Walk on topic (Nephi W): How can we build an ecosystem where genomic data is available at point of care? What infrastructure is needed?

Difference between PACS and analog for genomics: PACS is simple send/retrieve, whereas genomics will require processing and indexing into a result set (e.g., whole genome) to extract specific values

Heterogeneity in VCF format makes it hard to share data using a widely-used format







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