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Chair:  @Bryn Rhodes

Scribe: @Bryn Rhodes

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Minutes Approved as Presented 


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CDS Hooks Hook Definition Notice of Intent to Ballot:

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Motion: Isaac Vetter/Ken Kawamoto: 13-0-0

CDS Compartment Harmonization Proposal

CDS Compartment Proposal November 201911 Harmonization

Continued discussion focused on how the provider systems would know to use this label. The use case is within an HIE, satisfying consent use cases where participants have indicated the information can be shared but only in emergency (which averting a patient safety event would fall under emergency). It's still not clear how providers would know whether or not a given data element should be labelled with this.

The gist of this is that most of the use cases so far in CDS usually the access clearance in a particular instance is bound by the access token provided by the client. This is fundamentally trying to change that so that a CDS Server can have broader access and take into consideration that the client requesting the hook is not necessarily authorized to access.

Agree with the use case and intent, but provide the caveat that it will be difficult (if not impossible) in general to understand when to apply this, given that it's not possible in general to determine what data is required for CDS, because the specific CDS algorithms may not be known ahead of time. Committee also provides the feedback that there should be no expectation (and it should be clearly stated as such) that this has to be used in all cases. It should be a specific policy decision to enable use cases in particular environments. Also recognize that this is not the only mechanism to achieve this use case and implementations should be free to choose alternative mechanisms.

FDA Guidance Comments

There are four criteria that result in being exempt. One is that it's presented to healthcare professionals, another is that the supporting evidence is displayed (decision support is not independently driving the decision). The challenge is if you provide information to patients, it's not to the healthcare professional, and then by those definitions, it would be considered a medical device.

Unless it's low risk

The problem is they separate non-serious, serious, and critical. Example would be OTC medication for cold symptoms. But providing information directly to the patient could be construed as being a medical device by these criteria. Argument can be made that lots of shared decision making and education materials could be considered potential serious risk because it's advising a patient to consider more care. The concern is that this could be so broadly construed that a patient using Wikipedia to look up symptoms could be classified as a medical device (because it's presenting information to a non-healthcare professional).

JIRA/Tracker Update

  • FHIR trackers will be moved to JIRA this weekend

CQL STU Comments

Moved to next meeting

FHIR TrackersMoved to next meeting

Project UpdatesMoved to next meeting

 Next agenda

11/20 call cancelled for AMIA

11/27 call:

  • FDA Comments
  • CQL STU Comments
  • FHIR Trackers

 Adjourned at 1:00ET

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Minute Approval2019-10-30 Meeting Agenda